Thanks to Mr. Chakrabarty for the clarification.
In any case, I think Kashmir as a part of Pakistan or independent would not be in the interest of human rights in that land until religion takes a back seat in that area. I do not foresee that happening in Pakistan in the next thousand years; in Kashmir it could happen faster if the Indian secularism continues to operate there. Whatever good we see in India compared to its surroundings, India is nowhere near perfect. The so-called excesses by the security forces are not likely to vanish in the near future. However, it would be wrong to have religion-based divisions there. Just like the creation of Pakistan in 1947, the division of Kashmir along religious lines would create more permanent divisions between peoples than progress with respect to inter-religion harmony. (Of course, the Pakistani occupied part of Kashmir is essentially a part of Pakistan now; nothing better can come out of that part than what will happen in Pakistan.)
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
How can you even think that I have some sympathy for a terrorist like Kashab or for that matter any terrorist who indiscriminately kills innocent people? I simply tried to make the point that Kasab has also an agenda as Kodnani has. Kashmiri militants have carried out several terrorist activiies within India but outside Kashmir. If I have followed the Kasab news correctly, those who sent Kasab and his group to India for the terrorist operation indoctrinated them about the jihad within the Indian Kashmir. Like Palestine, Kashmir is also a hot sale to the international Islamic jihadists. Kashmiris want self rule. ISI and Pakistan army have also eye on Kashmir. They are no real friend of the Kashmiris. They are trying to fish in the troubled waters. You have to admit that despite a special staus given to Kashmir, India has not been handling the Kshmir issue wisely. Indian security forces have made the situation worse by doing "excesses" in Kashmir. Looks like it has now reached a point of no return. It has now become too costly for India. Many Indian leaders are even weighing an alternative of diving J&K into three independent countries---one with Muslim majority, one with Hindu majority, and the other one with buddhist majority.
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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
Thank you, Mr. Chakrabarty, for thanking me. (Sorry, Subimalda, to sort of depersonalize the discussions, I prefer to address and refer to people formally in the public forums.) However, I would have been happier if you stopped there. Your second and third sentences made the support kind of partial. I think everything that I wrote in the posting below deserved your clear support.
Having said the above, and looking at your previous posting on this thread, I have to advise you again to do some thinking before you write and send.
You seem to have some sympathy for Kasab, because 'Kashmir was an important factor in his Jihadi program'. Can you explain that?
The way I see it, if Pakistan were a secular nation with respect for all religious communities, and if India were a Hindu fanatic nation oppressing Muslims in Kashmir, Pakistan would have had a moral right to send secular cadres to India for liberating Kashmir. All evidences in our subcontinent tell me that if Kashmir were a part of Pakistan or independent, the non-Muslim population of that land would have met the same fate as those in the 1947 Pakistan. Do you see any morality in that?
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
Thanks Dr. Bain.
I agree with you that Kodnani's goons acted more barbarically by raping and mutilating. They did not spare children and pregnant women.
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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
After my first posting on this thread, I am surprised by some of the comments on this thread. So, let me elaborate my thoughts on this a bit.
First, let me address some of the points made by Dr. Roy below, which do make sense.
I also believe that Ms. Kodnani was a product of brainwashing. In fact, most people in our subcontinent are products of irresponsible, corrupt, and religion-based dim-witted and hateful brainwashing. However, the sensible among us have to draw a line somewhere. And Ms. Kodnani falls outside of that line in my book.
Talking about the communal riot, not only Kodnani, the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, should be also punished, if not for aiding and abetting the riot, at least for failing to provide a civilized administration so that the riot could not begin and so that the riot could be stopped with no delay.
I also salute the Indian judicial and political system, and that is why I praised not only Antara Dev Sen, I praised "other intellectuals of her quality" also.
Talking about the liberals of India that originated from East Bengal (comment by Shah Deeldar), let me talk a bit about myself. If you search my name by Google, you would see that some Muslim idiots made derogatory comments against me, and called me a Hindu communal person. Well, I am from East Bengal. I did not migrate to India, I came to the USA; most of my family migrated to India. I am glad that even after being uprooted from our birthplace by Muslim hate-mongers we did not lose our humanity. I even felt like crying loudly when innocent Muslim women and children were killed in Lebanon.
http://mukto-mona.net/Articles/Sukhamaya_Bain/give_up_hatred.htm
Now, I have no doubt that people who read my writings know that I am against religious enclaves of any kind anywhere in the world; I do not even hide my thought that the Muslims are the most religiously-stupid mass population in the world. Again, I think the religious idiots should be given education, involuntary if needed; but hatred is not what I want to give them.
Talking about spending millions of rupees on Kasab (comment by Kamal Das), I think that is too much to spend on a terrorist. India should carry out Kasab's punishment with no delay. Instead of wasting resources on a field-criminal like Kasab, India should act diplomatically with the world against the criminal state of Pakistan where children are brainwashed to hate non-Muslims.
Let me end by repeating my old mantra, "May humans give up hatred."
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Kodnani is no less guilty than Kasab: Antara Dev Sen
Well, Kodnani may have been brainwashed also. I think she was; nobody can kill innocent people without brainwashing. In Kasab's case, it was a foreign invasion. Kasab's goal was to attack Indian interests. Nothing triggered Kasab's anger towards the Hotel guests, most of who were foreigners. His anger was against India and her interests. Kodnani's case, on the other hand, is a communal riot, which started in retaliation of Godhra-train burning. I see no comparison with Kasab. I do not know why author of this article is trying to make such a comparison. It is true that justice came after an awfully long time (10 years). That's because – the case is politically charged. I am glad that it came at all. In any other countries, the case would not have been filed. In this respect, my hat is off to the Indian Judicial as well as political system. Jiten Roy --- On Sat, 9/1/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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