Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ

Thanks. I have separately responded to Dr. Jiten Roy's response to my reaction to the article. It is agreed by all three of us that it is a poorly written article. I have said that it has been the screaming of an angry and frustrated man. There are valid reasons to be angry and frustrated. Roy has also agreed that it is an emotional outburst. Anger is a form of emotion and screaming and outburst are similar as acts.

Any way, let me jot down my main points here with respect to human rights abuse of the religious minorities in Bangladesh:

1. Communal harmony in general in Bangladesh is not unreal. 

2. Minority persecution is also not less unreal. 14 percent in 1971 has come down to 9 percent in 2012. 

3. Rogues and political miscreants are more powerful than the common people which fact tends to inhibit the fact of cordial relations among the religious communities. 

4. Land grabbing, vandalizing temples, robbing or stealing (catching fish or plucking mangoes for example openly from Hindu property), kidnapping Hindu girls, and many more are committed by social miscreants many of whom are connected to major political parties. 

5. A miscreant does not have to be a Jihadsist. In most of the cases he is not. 

6. Because of their political connection, the miscreants are above law. 

7. Civil society and press and media in general condemn and report on minority persecution. 

8. You are right: Good and intelligent articles could not stop minority persecution. Where is the guarantee that bad and dumb articles will work?

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On Oct 22, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

No doubt, that article was poorly written by the author. However, if you look at the post partition history of subcontinent, no amount of good/intelligent articles/acts have really worked for the minorities. Did not Gandhi try with his witty words? Did not many Dhaka University teachers leave for West Bengal because they did not feel secure in East Pakistan/ Bangladesh? Did not these bright people write good articles? The recent attack against Budhists is just another good example and more might be coming if I am not mistaken. These monsters will find another blasphemy cause to torment the minorities. There is a time when you call a spade as spade and do pray for torment to just go away. If liberal Muslims get upset with your outbursts, so be it! Express yourself or be marginalized! The minorities have been leaving in droves (in many cases forced) with only one way ticket. They needed majority support but that never really materialized. I must say that very few people really like minorities in Bangladesh. They have more love for Kashmiri and Palestinian Muslims than their own brother and sisters. It is rather a very sad mentality. In long run, Islamic states would not allow minorities to stay as minorities while they (Muslims) as a group would fight for their rights and global Ummah. Good for goose but not so good for gander?Sorry for my political incorrectness. Good night!-SD

 

"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ

 

If you think this kind of articles will serve the minority interests in Bangladesh, go ahead and promote more of this. I have expressed my opinion only. You and your cohorts have not monopolized watching Hindu rights in Bangladesh. You do your way and I will do my way. 

Listen, to protect human rights of the Hindus in Bangladesh, you must need help from the majority also. You cannot alienate everybody and guarantee the minority human rights. 
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On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

This article reflects writer's emotional outburst over minority situation in Bangladesh. It is true - there are some inflammatory languages and some harsh words towards Muslims, but – it has also pointed out many realities about the plights of minority communities ib Bangladesh.  One can find them only when he/she has the right aptitude for it. He could not sugar-coat the truth due to his emotion. I liked the straight-talks. Most people divert the reality to appease people instead of reporting the reality on the ground. It is true that Muslims can support other Muslim countries openly without being called as agents of those countries. Many people preach for middle-eastern countries, even though Bangladeshi-Muslims are treated there as Miskins. Hindus cannot preach for India like that without being called RAW agents right away. That's a fact. It is also true that very few ever got punished for atrocities on religious minorities. I haven't heard of anybody ever got unprecedented punishment for talking part in the communal riots. It is true that government becomes bystander when minority communities are under attack. It is true Awami League is infiltrated by many razakars, which may explain why minority situation remains the same even when Awami League comes to power. How come none of those points caught your attention? Instead, you seemed to be offended by this article because of the term - Urdu is a bustard language. It seems like - you are getting clueless day by day. Jiten Roy   --- On Sun, 10/21/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote: From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 12:07 PM   It is a badly written article. It is the screaming of a frustrated angry man belonging to a religiously minority section. We should feel sorry for the writer. He does not understand or does not want to understand politics or the workings of the society. His obsession with minority persecution in Bangladesh has made him miss the bigger picture. This low level journalism does not help promote minority cause at all. It rather causes confusion and throws away the baby with dirty water. Also it strengthens the hands of the reactionary forces home and abroad. His description of Urdu as a bastard language is laughable. He sees every perpetrator as a Jihadi ("jongi" if my translation is right)!Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:   ---------- Forwarded message ---------- বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ। বহু বছরের সম্প্রীতির ইতিহাস। গত কয়েকদিন পত্রপত্রিকায় ও প্রাইভেট চ্যানেলের টকশোতে এসব শুনতে শুনতে কান একেবারে জ্বালা পালা। বনে বাঘ থাকে। বাঘের সাথে থাকে তার সম্প্রদায়। আবার একই বনে থাকে হরিণ ও তার সম্প্রদায়। পৃথিবীর সবকটি অভয়ারণ্যে এ এক পরি চিত দৃশ্য। তাই বলে কেউ বলে না বনে বাঘ ও হরিণ সম্প্রীতিতে বসবাস করছে। কারণ বাঘ হরিণ খেয়ে বেঁচে থাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুসলমান ও সং... খ্যালঘু শ্রেণীর মধ্যে বিরাজ করছে এ জাতীয় সম্প্রীতি। মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের খেতে খেতে নিম্ন সংখ্যায় নামিয়ে এনেছে। সরকার পরিচালিত আদম শুমারি এসব তথ্য জানান দিচ্ছে। সামান্য ঠুনকো কারণে বাংলাদেশের জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের বাড়িঘরে হামলা চালায়। আর প্রশাসন থাকে নীরব। সরকার ও বিরোধীরা করে রাজনীতি। সংবাদ ছেপেও কাজের কাজ কিছু হয় না। অত:পর সংখ্যালঘুদের দেশ ত্যাগ। বাংলাদেশের ধর্মীয় সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রীতির সাথে বসবাস করছে । এ শ্রেণীর কথাবার�=8