Hindus cannot preach for India like that without being called RAW agents right away
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>>>>>>>>>>> It is true in most cases BUT I don't blame Bangladeshi Hindus for it. They do have the right to support any countries of their liking. HOWEVER the very overt biases of Indian policies (River water share, border killing, product dumping, discriminatory marker access, hostile Indian media etc) made India VERY unpopular among common Bangladeshis. Therefore, supporting such policies is very difficult for either Hindus or Muslims.
India has many positives as a country and we (Common people) don't deny that. However when it comes to dealing "Justly" with Bangladesh, India has been very bad neighbor (Starting 1972).
That's a fact. It is also true that very few ever got punished for atrocities on religious minorities
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT only minorities. I think very few criminals get punished in general. It is NOT a healthy situation and became a national crisis.
I haven't heard of anybody ever got unprecedented punishment for talking part in the communal riots.
>>>>>>>> WHY is that? The people of Bangladesh gave overwhelming votes for the most "Secular" party in Bangladesh. It is also true the most "Liberals/leftists" are very strong inside BAL administration. Minority and so call "Civil right organizations" only point finger to political opponents (Very predictable) whenever bad things happens. We have a sitting minister Dilip Barua (A leftist man) and you will not see him very vocal about Ramu incident. He could have protested publicly but even when own people were persecuted, he kept making absurd statements about "Achievements". I do agree this administration has some positives but during a national crisis like this, we should unite as a nation. Lives of innocent people cannot be used as pawns of politics.
Similarly when a low life name Nim Chandra Bhoumik was alleged to molest women in Nepal (His ambassadorship was a gift for his "service"), I have not seen any "secular" person protest. Since it was one of their "own" molester!!
We have tons of such examples. Similar things are seen in so called "Islamic parties" as well. Albeit Islam is VERY clear about establishing justice, good governance but they like to pardon criminals as long the victim is not personally known to them (This is true for most parties in general).
We have murderers getting "pardoned" by elected officials regularly (During both BNP and BAL era).
How the heck, you expect justice for ANYONE (Majority or minority)!!
It is true Awami League is infiltrated by many razakars, which may explain why minority situation remains the same even when Awami League comes to power.
:>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with it. Just for the sake of discussion, IF this is the case, WHY the good people inside Awami League are sitting on the rear end? It is their party and it is STILL their duty to conduct themselves in a respectable manner and keep the party in line of "Visions of Bangabandhu". As I said earlier, most people are brain damaged (With due respect) when it comes to politics in our country. Politics only reflect who we are as people.
Unless we as a people committed to freedom, justice, free speech, security, fairness, we cannot expect some creatures from Mars will do it for us. Blaming is our "National pass time" and we do it better than anyone. However we are extremely reluctant to point the finger at ourselves.
his article because of the term - Urdu is a bustard language.
>>>>>>>>>>> NO language can be called "Bastards. This is a uncivilized expression and one member simply pointed that out. I can be critical of Indian policies or treatment at the border BUT I should NEVER call Indian languages as "Bastards". That is known as "Hate speech". Even a country like India has tons of exclusively "Urdu" TV channels.
Personally I cannot speak Urdu but I think it is a very sick mentality when we frequently resort to "Hate speech" but expect others to respect us.
Listen, to protect human rights of the Hindus in Bangladesh, you must need help from the majority also.
As I said earlier, why so called "Unity council" do not have any Muslim leaders or members? If you cannot trust the most liberal person with Muslim name, WHY do you expect Muslims will keep helping you while some people keep malign our faith and people continuously?
Member Shubimol is right. Be alienating Muslims, minorities are only hurting themselves. To 88% population, it looks like a foreign issue. BUT fair treatment of minority population should be in our national agenda and (For Muslims) an Islamic goal (Because Allah ordered Muslims to protect minorities).
My two cents....
Shalom!
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চিত দৃশ্য। তাই বলে কেউ বলে না বনে বাঘ ও হরিণ সম্প্রীতিতে বসবাস করছে। কারণ বাঘ হরিণ খেয়ে বেঁচে থাকে। বাংলাদেশে মুসলমান ও সং...
বাংলাদেশের মুসলমানদের সাম্প্রদায়িকতা আমি প্রতিবেশী দেশের বৃহৎ জনগোষ্ঠীর সাম্প্রদায়িকতার সাথে তুলনা করি না। তুলনা করা উচিতও নয়। কিন্তু অনেকে করে। যারা করে তারা না জেনেই করে। বাংলাদেশের মুসলমানদের সাম্প্রদায়িকতা ভিন্ন প্রকৃতির। এটা ভারত এমনকি মোল্লাতন্ত্র পাকিস্তানেও দেখা যায় না। একটি নির্দিষ্ট রাজনৈতিক দলকে ভোট দেবার জন্য সংখ্যালঘুদের ওপর হামলা নির্যাতন করে জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা। গ্রাম কে গ্রাম হিন্দু সম্প্রদায়ের মানুষের ঘরবাড়ি জ্বালিয়ে দেয়া হয়। ২০০১ সালে বাংলাদেশের জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনের পর এলাকা
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ
It is true that Muslims can support other Muslim countries openly without being called as agents of those countries
>>>>>>>> Member Roy, you need not to travel very far. The way "Muslims" attacks other "Muslims" for being agents of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc in "Muktomona" is quite visible. The whole nation is polarized by politics. Often I find you in agreement with you BUT this time you are totally "Out of touch" with reality.
>>>>>>>>>> Well is true for everywhere in the world. I mean US Muslims are working with Jews, Christians all the time. Even with people who have many big differences of opinions with them. Unfortunately many "Unity forums" and "Rights organizations" started pointing finger at Islam or Muslims instead of criminals who are behind atrocities.
If you think this kind of articles will serve the minority interests in Bangladesh, go ahead and promote more of this. I have expressed my opinion only. You and your cohorts have not monopolized watching Hindu rights in Bangladesh. You do your way and I will do my way.
Listen, to protect human rights of the Hindus in Bangladesh, you must need help from the majority also. You cannot alienate everybody and guarantee the minority human rights.
This article reflects writer's emotional outburst over minority situation in Bangladesh. It is true - there are some inflammatory languages and some harsh words towards Muslims, but – it has also pointed out many realities about the plights of minority communities ib Bangladesh. One can find them only when he/she has the right aptitude for it. He could not sugar-coat the truth due to his emotion. I liked the straight-talks. Most people divert the reality to appease people instead of reporting the reality on the ground.
It is true that Muslims can support other Muslim countries openly without being called as agents of those countries. Many people preach for middle-eastern countries, even though Bangladeshi-Muslims are treated there as Miskins. Hindus cannot preach for India like that without being called RAW agents right away. That's a fact. It is also true that very few ever got punished for atrocities on religious minorities. I haven't heard of anybody ever got unprecedented punishment for talking part in the communal riots. It is true that government becomes bystander when minority communities are under attack. It is true Awami League is infiltrated by many razakars, which may explain why minority situation remains the same even when Awami League comes to power.
How come none of those points caught your attention? Instead, you seemed to be offended by this article because of the term - Urdu is a bustard language. It seems like - you are getting clueless day by day.
Jiten Roy
It is a badly written article. It is the screaming of a frustrated angry man belonging to a religiously minority section. We should feel sorry for the writer. He does not understand or does not want to understand politics or the workings of the society. His obsession with minority persecution in Bangladesh has made him miss the bigger picture. This low level journalism does not help promote minority cause at all. It rather causes confusion and throws away the baby with dirty water. Also it strengthens the hands of the reactionary forces home and abroad. His description of Urdu as a bastard language is laughable. He sees every perpetrator as a Jihadi ("jongi" if my translation is right)!
On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:
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বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ। বহু বছরের সম্প্রীতির ইতিহাস। গত কয়েকদিন পত্রপত্রিকায় ও প্রাইভেট চ্যানেলের টকশোতে এসব শুনতে শুনতে কান একেবারে জ্বালা পালা। বনে বাঘ থাকে। বাঘের সাথে থাকে তার সম্প্রদায়। আবার একই বনে থাকে হরিণ ও তার সম্প্রদায়। পৃথিবীর সবকটি অভয়ারণ্যে এ এক পরি
খ্যালঘু শ্রেণীর মধ্যে বিরাজ করছে এ জাতীয় সম্প্রীতি। মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের খেতে খেতে নিম্ন সংখ্যায় নামিয়ে এনেছে। সরকার পরিচালিত আদম শুমারি এসব তথ্য জানান দিচ্ছে। সামান্য ঠুনকো কারণে বাংলাদেশের জঙ্গি মুসলমানরা সংখ্যালঘুদের বাড়িঘরে হামলা চালায়। আর প্রশাসন থাকে নীরব। সরকার ও বিরোধীরা করে রাজনীতি। সংবাদ ছেপেও কাজের কাজ কিছু হয় না। অত:পর সংখ্যালঘুদের দেশ ত্যাগ। বাংলাদেশের ধর্মীয় সংখ্যালঘু সম্প্রীতির সাথে বসবাস করছে । এ শ্রেণীর কথাবার্তা বাংলাদেশের মতলববাজ মুসলমানরা বলে।
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