Like member Shubimal, I know people from this group and have no personal issues with them. As Muslims it is a per-condition to have faith in "One unseen God" and His "Last messenger Muhammad (PBUH)". This is part of our "Shahada" and fundamental issue of the faith.
Ahmedi followers do agree with One God but they also feel like there are other messengers after "The last messenger of God". They have some different narrative about how Jesus left this world and how they perform Namaz.
I strongly believe in freedom of picking any faith of our choices and Ahmedi group should be protected by this value from any violence. If someone has an issue with them claiming "Muslim", they can file a case against it to examine the claim.
My personal feeling is, we can have a win-win solution by calling them "Ahmedi-Muslim". That way rest of the world would know what they stand for and will not confuse them with "Islam preached by prophet Muhammad (PBUH)" and they will retain the right to have a claim as "Muslims".
Once upon a time, I have a very detail discussion/debate on the issue with one of their members and he agreed with my point of view. Since there are "Fundamental" differences between "Islam practiced by 1.7 billion Muslims" and what "Ahmedi" group follows and preaches.
A simple "Truth in labeling" concept can satisfy both parties and I strongly oppose any violence against such groups. This attitude of picking up laws in our own hands is NOT an Islamic concept. We have media, we have cyberspace and we have court system to sort it out. NO need to attack any places of worship or any followers of that group.
Since we do have many "Common grounds", we can work as "Partners" like we do with Christians, Hindus, Jews, etc.
Those from non-Muslim back ground probably do not know these finer details and violence (Pakistani style) does not help it either.
There are some merit to those who question of Ahmedi followers should be considered as Muslims or not, however there is NO reason to resort to violence over it.
It is counter productive and UN-Islamic. All differences should be settled by discussing the problem.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা ও অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism
We have discussed the Ahmedi issue before. I think this issue has very simple solution. As citizens of this country, they deserve full protection of the state in practicing their faith. As far as if they are Muslims or not, it is not very important to me (At personal level). HOWEVER, do understand that, there are some fundamental differences between mainstream "Islamic ideology" and what is preached and practiced by Ahmedi groups.
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The father of Jamaat Islami Mowdudi was tried for instigating anti-Ahmadi riot in Pakistan. Several years ago there were troubles in Bangladesh too. The State of Pakistan declared the Ahmadies non-Muslims. I am sure Jamaat Islami and other so called Islam Pasand parties gave strong support to the move by the Pakistani govt. Denial of Jamaat Islami involvement on this will be big lie. I have Muslim friends belonging to the Ahmadi sect. I know how much proud they are to be identified as Muslims. Why should the State, Islamic clerics and Jamaat Islami decide their religious identity? Any way with the kind of ideological belief and mindset you have you guys will make life of these people unsafe.
A secular and democratic country tries to allow maximum individual rights. It also includes all the great and universal teachings from all religions and cultures. A State does not need to be religious explicitly. A religious State I'd divisive which is not good for world peace and progress.
I will be looking forward to hearing from you more on this issue.
Ahmadies are non-Muslims whether they are declared to be so by the state or not..Jamaat Islami has nothing on Ahmadi issue in the manifesto of theirs.
I think basic Hindu code is what Bed has taught. As for Christians, it is the moral lessons preached by Jesus found in four gospels.
Shah Abdul Hannan
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Subimal Chakrabarty
I have humble questions for Mr. Hannan. If Jamaat-i-Islam comes to power in Bangladesh, will they try to declare the Ahamadiyas non-Muslims? What is Indian constitution lacking now and how can these lackings be fixed by Hindu religious teachings? What Hindu religious teachings has he in his mind? Caste-ism or teachings of Manu? What are the Christian moral codes that the Christians in the West are not following? No abortion at all?
Mr. Hannan,
I heard from many others before, but - you are consistent in your views; that's quite interesting.
Thanks.
correcyed
From: S A Hannan [mailto:sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com]
Dear Mr.Jiten Roy,
I would love to see India ruled by Hindu religious teachings, only condition is fundamental rights of Non-Hindus should be guaranteed in the constitution. Similarly if the West rules by teaching and moral code of Christianity, the world will be freed from much of immorality, selfishness, materialism etc.
In the state of Madina established by the Prophet, the state was based on Islam but all citizens including the Jews had similar rights.
Islamic states will not be theocracy; they would be ruled by elected people.
Shah Abdul HannanI
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Many Islamic leaders aspire for religious theocratic states, wherever they are majority. This is one of the Islamist doctrines and goals. When Muslim population gains near majority in any area, Islamists start to promote the idea that - Muslims aren't allowed to be governed by non-Muslims, and they initiate the process to control the power of that area. Islamists are Muslim-supremists, much like Nazis or skinheads (KKK). They are driven by the doctrine of Islamic Ummah.
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