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Thursday, February 28, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে



1. The concept of "complete code of life" stretched beyond personal religious life is nothing but a political slogan by those who want to capture the state power. Religious values (obviously after being reinterpreted in the light of the new social realities) can be a good foundation for moral and ethical values for a practicing believer. These people are not dangerous for the society, but those who use religion to capture power absolutely are. These people are divisive. They are so much obsessed with their own version of religion that they discriminate against and persecute those whom they think are heretics. Jamat is a prime example. It is not possible for them to offer a peaceful and cooperative pluralistic society. They have other vices too. 
 
2. A perfect theocratic state is a utopia. Even a near perfect one has hardly earned much respect. The era of Khulafa-e-Rashedeen ( or Kingdom of Ashoka to take as another example) may be an exception although that period was also not free from internal conflicts. That was very natural as the affairs were run by humans with human limitations in the name of God. You will probably never aspire to live in an Islamic theocratic state like Talibani Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or even Iran (don't take this personally as this applies to anybody who believes and loves theocracy.) You will probably prefer your kid being in Harvard to being in a world renowned madrasah. 
 
3. I hope you have heard about Kautilya's "Arthashastra" and "Manusanhita" both of which were writeen about 2000-2500 years ago. These two and many others (Dharmashastra is good compilation from different sources including the Mahabharata) constitute the complate code for the society in the field of ethics, moral values, politics, social issues, and so on. But it would have been quite wrong for the founding fathers of India to include them in the Indian constitution. That was the right spirit. 
 
4. We need to shun our religious ego and be pragmatic. Religions through new interpretations can be made universally appealing. 
 
5. A religion (like any other human identity---linguistic, tribal, national, etc.) can well be a basis for organizing a group for social upliftment or even for economic, social or political emancipation, but the ultimate must goal must not be a theocracy to be run by religious zealots. Unfortunately because of the failures of the secualr and democratic forces to organize the oppressed people, leadership is sometimes being given by the religious zealots.   

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
These political Islamists are tarnishing the image of Islam as a complete code of life. 

>>>>>>>>>>> Politics can be for good and it can also bring bad results. In our country frequently it brings bad results, so there is a negative connotation  to the term "Politics". It is true Islam offered solution to most problems we face and give us "Hints" to solve rest of the problem we have.

It is the ONLY religion which has well preserved codified laws which other faith traditions had to "Invent" or copy from others.

For example, Muslims were the first civilization which introduced large scale pluralistic societies to the world. When it was "Dark Ages" for Europeans, Muslims lead the way and established the most progressive community in Spain and creators of modern Europe took inspiration from it.

Since Islam is a global religion, it has some local issues. To me, the top issue for our area is lack of Islamic education. For example, member Ahmed said,

There are many intellectual discussion/opposition against Islam/Muslim and that is fine. Go ahead and do that as much as you wish. He made a very acceptable point of view. He did NOT shun criticism but reminded us that, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has a very special place in our heart and requested not to throw slander or libel in his way.

Albeit I have a different way of handing ignorant idiots who love to insult without knowing much about the noble prophet (PBUH) himself.

For example, if I go and slaughter a big cow in a main street of Kolkata, I might not violated any laws but I would manage to hurt a lot of people. Among those hurt, if even 1% react in a violent way that can cause a lot of havoc in that city and even in the whole region.

Similarly most Muslims are VERY tolerant of criticism but even if 1% cannot handle their emotion that can cause a lot of problem. Member Ahmad probably requested in that line. If you look at the post positively, you can find of a lot of sympathy and concern for atheist and non-Muslims in it.

The problem ALSO lies within some members of the forum, who quickly take all post by theist members as negative. Which shows a little intolerance.


In Islam, a Muslim is prohibited from insulting other faiths

>>>>>>>> Absolutely. We Muslims have to do a better job of reminding this to our fellow Muslims about this aspect of Islam. It is written in the Qur'an and more we learn about Islam, we'll have more peace and harmony among all people of faiths/tradition.

Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 5:11 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
The meaning of the term "complete code of life" has been over stretched by the over enthusiastic propounders of  theories on political Islam. This new interpretation seems to be not even a hundred years old. Many Great teachings of Islam (charity, regularity and cleanliness involving daily prayers, restraints that come with annual fasting, compassion, respect, encouragement to acquire knowledge, savings, etc.) can easily constitute a complete code of life to any practicing nonpolitical Muslim. As a matter of fact in my life I have been in close touch with many Muslins like this. Political Islam is ruining every thing. This new trend needs to be resisted. These political Islamists are tarnishing the image of Islam as a complete code of life.  Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 
"Islam is a complete code of life."- If so, why even bother to learn or use anything that is not Islamic in origin?
2013/2/26 Mir Ahmad <mirahmadf@hotmail.com>
 
Please read it carefully and get it clear - in Islam religion and politics are not separate as the west separates. Islam is a complete code of life. I hope you understand what it means.
 
If anyone (no matter where s/he live or ethnicity/nationality) insults/ridicules Islam and the Prophet (pbuh), a person who cares least (like me who is a non-political person) about BD (because it's already a DEAD COUNTRY) will protest against it in the strongest possible terms. We'll unfold the faces of these culprits and ask the authority for severe punishment for such provocative behavior. There are many intellectual discussion/opposition against Islam/Muslim and that is fine. Go ahead and do that as much as you wish. BUT PLEASE DO NOT INSULT our faith and our Prophet (pbuh). Our Prophet (pbuh) is much dearer to us then our own lives. In Islam, a Muslim is prohibited from insulting other faiths. For better harmony, I hope you could do the same.
 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে
 
LOL! Empty vessels make the most sound! Leave Islam alone and do your fascist politics as much you can. Islam does not need you and nor I see anything that is remotely Islamic with you. Bloggers have not destroyed any religion as far as we know. Now, if you want your pure Wahabi version of Islam, you should start chopping some bloggers' heads to quench your blood thirst. We will see whether Jamatis can rule with their daggers in the East? -SD   
2013/2/25 Shahadat Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>
আওয়ামী লীগ  ইসলামের বিরুদ্ধে যুদ্ধ ঘোষণা করেছে। তারা এবারে ক্ষমতায় এসে সংবিধান থেকে আল্লাহর উপর আস্থার বানি সরিয়েছে। শুধু সে টুকুতে তারা খুশি নয়। এবার চায়,দেশ থেকে ইসলাম নির্মূল। আল্লাহ ও তাঁর রাসূলের বিরুদ্ধে মুসলিম নামধারি কোন ব্যক্তি কিছু লিখলে বা বললে সে আর মুসলমান থাকে না। সে পরিণত হয় মুরতাদে। ইসলামের বিরুদ্ধে প্রচণ্ড ঘৃনা নিয়ে বহুকাল ধরে ইন্টারনেটে লেখালেখি করেছে রাজীব নামের এক ব্লগার। শাহবাগ সমাবেশের একজন অন্যতম আয়োজক।ব্লগারদের সাথে আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের যোগসূত্র যে কতটা গভীর তার একটি তথ্যবহুল রিপোর্ট ছেপেছে দৈনিক আমার দেশ তার ২২/০২/২০১৩ তারিখের সংখ্যায়। নিম্নে তা থেকে কিছু উদ্ধৃতি দেয়া হলোঃ "গত ২০১২ সালে ২১ মার্চ হাইকোর্ট ধর্মদ্রোহী মুরতাদদের ব্লগারের বিরুদ্ধে আইনানুগ ব্যবস্থা নেয়ার নির্দেশ দিলেও তাতে পাত্তা দেয়নি হাসিনার সরকার। বরং উচ্চ আদালতকে বৃদ্ধাঙ্গুলি দেখিয়ে শাহবাগের কথিত প্রজন্ম চত্বরের নেতৃত্বদানকারী ব্লগার আসিফ মহিউদ্দীন লিখেছে,'সম্পূর্ণ সজ্ঞানে সচেতনভাবে ঐ যুক্তিহীন অন্ধ ষাঁড়ের মতো উৎকট দুর্গন্ধময় ধর্মীয় অনুভূতি এবং ঐ যুক্তিহীন ধর্মীয় অনুভূতির রক্ষক আদালত,দুই জিনিসেরই অবমাননা করলাম।"  
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:00:51 -0800 From: bazlul@yahoo.com Subject: Re: এই জলে আগুন জ্বলে To: kazi4986@yahoo.com; mirahmadf@hotmail.com; faiz208@hotmail.com; golardho@yahoo.com; munir1062@yahoo.com; bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com
I have the following question:
 
হাসিনা বঙ্গবন্ধুকে নিয়ে কটুক্তি করার জন্য বেশ কয়েকজনকে গ্রেফতার করা হয়েছে বিভিন্ন সময়ে। আর আমাদের প্রিয়নবী হযরত মুহাম্মদ (সঃ) কে নিয়ে অশ্লীল ভাষা ব্যবহার করে অসংখ্য ব্লগ লেখার পরও কাউকে গ্রেফতার করা তো হলনা বরং একজন নাস্তিককে শহীদ বলে ঘোষণা করা হল। বাংলাদেশী মুসলিমদের জন্য Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) চেয়ে কি হাসিনা, বঙ্গবন্ধু বড়?
 
I want to clarify one thing. I've been writing about current govt's failures and because of that I heard some are branding me as 'pro BNP'. Actually only blind AL supporters would think that way, as they don't like to hear about the govt's failures. To them, AL is above the interest of Bangladesh. When BNP was in power, I was very vocal against some BNP activities. Whoever knows me well are aware of this. Of course, at that time, I was not part of google group. I try my best to see the interests of Bangladesh ahead of AL, BNP petty politics. People of Bangladesh are much more important tha


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