The idea is not practical at all. You need to create talented professionals in a competitive environment.
>>>>>>>> Think you missed the point here. We were discussing PIRS not Universities. Pirs are volunteers for religion. They can accept money but they CANNOT demand money for whatever service they render. Simple concept my friend!!
Either way I did not realize a discussion about "Islamic pirs" will stir up so much passion in you. Which is not a bad thing.
I try not to share my opinions when discussing religion. That is why I say (Personal opinion) when I depart my personal opinion.
KINDLY read my posts. it will be clear Inshallah.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 6:47 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] বাংলাদেশে সব পীরই ভন্ড !!! ধর্ম অবমাননাকারী কারা? হেফাজতে ইসলামের দায়িত্ব কি ?
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>>>>>>>>>>> I have given very detailed explanation with examples for the concept. I felt you have some irrational feeling towards Islam. Otherwise not "Demanding money" for knowledge is a noble concept. My guru said similar things and he taught me to respect knowledge and not equating knowledge with money (Islamic concept as well).
Religious edict is against "Demanding" money for religious knowledge. It does NOT prohibit a scholar/pir to except money it is is given freely.
I would request you not to spend too much time in finding faults but first try to understand the values and concepts of Islam. It takes westerners minutes to understand what takes atheists months even years.
It seems whatever "Ism" you follow, it is not working very well for you. Kindly review.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] বাংলাদেশে সব পীরই ভন্ড !!! ধর্ম অবমাননাকারী কারা? হেফাজতে ইসলামের দায়িত্ব কি ?
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Pirs or scholars of Islam depart knowledge as a "Public service". They don't run schools or collect certain amount of money for certain hours. Generally people donate money voluntarily to meet expenses.
Do understand pirs are PROHIBITED to make any claim to "Cure" someone from disease or they cannot guarantee "Good results" to any aspiring students. Some
"Bhondo pirs" do that and it is not approved by Islam. Unfortunately many ignorant Muslims still go to such "Bhondo pirs" to blessings, good business, good health etc. As per Islam, only ALLAH (SWT) has that kind of power.
You asked a good question. It suddenly reminded me of one of my favorite teachers. I was weak in math my during my school years and he helped me a great deal. Few of us used to study under him (private). One of my friends was rich. Sir was very angry one day and told him, your dad does not have enough money to pay me for the knowledge I give you here. I take some money to pay my bills for my family only.
This very "Islamic" statement was made by this devout Hindu teacher of mine. Now a days there are "Bhondo pirs" and "Bhondo Sadhu" who promise all sorts of things to people. True enlightened Islamic teachers would not dare to demand any money for any knowledge given to anyone. He/she would consider a "Privilege" to offer some knowledge.
I feel very blessed for the time I spend with my "Guru" and will remember him till the last days of my life.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 7:24 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] বাংলাদেশে সব পীরই ভন্ড !!! ধর্ম অবমাননাকারী কারা? হেফাজতে ইসলামের দায়িত্ব কি ?
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Pirs/Sufis are aberration of Islam; Hefazot is structurally a similar organization; it is run by an Amir or something like this, if I am not mistaken, which is an aberration of Islamic tenets also.
>>>>>>>>>>> You are not totally mistaken but this is a view popular in the ME. Some of us (From sub-continent) take this without understanding context. The Arabs naturally speaks Arabic and they directly go to the Qur'an and Hadith books when needed. So they do not promote "Middle man" in religion.
And they are right about it. However in sub-continent most people do not speak Arabic. So they generally go to pirs, teachers, alims, madrassa to learn about religion.
Islam says, one should not take money for teaching religion. Genuine religious teachers, pirs, alims do not ask for money or favors in return of Islamic knowledge. Some "Fake/bhondo" people do and they are "Aberration of Islamic tenets".
So I have to thank you for making an effort to search for truth.
Hope this will be helpful to member Subimal as well.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] বাংলাদেশে সব পীরই ভন্ড !!! ধর্ম অবমাননাকারী কারা? হেফাজতে ইসলামের দায়িত্ব কি ?
Your problem is that you think your understanding of Islam is the best. You need to realize that different people may understand the same thing in different ways. That's why I always talk about different versions of Islam or for that matter any religion or ideology.
>>>>>>> Different people MAY have different OPINIONS on Islam but proper Islamic ideas have to be based on scriptures. This aspect of it makes Islam "Unique" among all religions. It is structured and which helps us to catch people when certain people wear Islamic label but engage in UN-ISLAMIC activities.
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Your problem is that you think your understanding of Islam is the best. You need to realize that different people may understand the same thing in different ways. That's why I always talk about different versions of Islam or for that matter any religion or ideology.
You are delighted that your Hindu math teacher did not care much about money. Imparting knowledge was the ideal goal of his professional life. I appreciate that. But by no edict or promulgation can you force other teachers to teach without remuneration. The idea is not practical at all. You need to create talented professionals in a competitive environment. This does not mean that you are equating money with knowledge although national income accounting does it. That is a matter of convenience and because of the fact that a better index has not yet been formulated.
Is your "religious knowledge" different from religious knowledge taught in schools, colleges, universities, madrassas, and various institutions?
There is some thing called "guru dakshina". There is nothing wrong in getting and paying remuneration. Important thing is what is being taught. Teaching garbage free is harmful for the society. Training good teachers and giving then incentives is necessary. If any one is happy without having any remuneration, that is ok and I admire that. There should not be any religious edict on such remuneration. That is not a modern concept.
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There is some thing called "guru dakshina". There is nothing wrong in getting and paying remuneration. Important thing is what is being taught. Teaching garbage free is harmful for the society. Training good teachers and giving then incentives is necessary. If any one is happy without having any remuneration, that is ok and I admire that. There should not be any religious edict on such remuneration. That is not a modern concept.
Religious teachers are "Prohibited" to "Demand" for whatever knowledge they depart to people. As per religious belief, the reward will be given by our Maker.
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Should religious teachers give free service? What kind of logic is behind this?
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