Well, Indians are not angels. They are probably equally guilty for all of the bad things that happened in the subcontinent. The difference is that they made it through with a decent economy and stable democratic system. I am sure they will play the ball with Bangladesh and Pakistan as long as they can trust Khaledas and Nwawaz/Imrans of the neighborhood. They can have all great deals done with Hasina and then find out Khaleda taking a total about turn? How that would be any good for them? This political uncertainty is probably what makes them hesitant integrating their economy with the neighbors?
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
I don't think Pakistan has much respect for Bangladesh which is manned with "half Muslims' and the Hindus most of whom are "Indian agents". It has not taken back the Biharis who have been long suffering in the Geneva camps, and also did not give Bangladesh her proper share of assets. ISI has been active in Bangladesh to fulfill various Pakistani agenda including embarrassing her neighbor politically.
China? I don't think it's "good terms" is motivated by any thing other than business interests and anti-Indianism.
Good relations between Bangladesh and India based on mutual trust is good for both the countries. India needs cooperation from Bangladesh as she is plagued with rebels in north-eastern states. I think politically that is the prime Indian consideration. As we look back we see that BNP acts as a villain.
Indian economic interests? No doubt about it. Our government should act and negotiate more judiciously. It should be objective and must not be influenced by phobia, hatred, or any special interests (of the profit seeking businesses).
In Bangladesh I was involved in export. At that time some thing (probably political) was going on between India and Nepal. To teach a good lesson, India did not let Nepal, a land locked country, to use Kolkata port for importation. I think with changes in Nepalese internal politics, that restriction is no more. This big brotherly attitude is obviously wrong.
I am not sure why Sri Lanka should have any animosity with India. Rajib Gandhi helped Sri Lanka eliminate the Pravakaran group which headed Indian origin Tamils to separate a piece of land for the Tamils. And we know he had to pay the price.
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
Pakistan was brought as an analogy to show the "best example" of your inter country mutual respect BS. The BS does not exist unless both countries are equally civilized and wealthy. The same goes with Greece vs Germany. If Germans ever get stronger than France, expect the same treatment. That is the nature of the beast. I am not sure what planet you are from? "That is why India has to spend most of it's budget for defense."
Indians are not naive and they know exactly what neighborhood they have been living for last sixty years. They do not want to be squeezed from the North, West and East. I do not blame them. Gandhian philosophy has no place in this do eating dog world. Good day! -SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
As Dr. Roy has already stated, it is the national interests that determine the so called "mutual respect" BS
>>>>>>>> Mutual respect works for all relationships. As I said, a stable prosperous Bangladesh is in the best interest of India. Similarly if we have good relations with India, it is good for us. We source a lot of products, raw materials from India. So it is good for both countries. Kindly drop your favorite "Pakistan" from this discussion. I was speaking about China. This is NOT about Pakistan, it is about Bangaldesh. You are either a bully or bullied country. >>>>>>>>> That is why India has to spend most of it's budget for defense. Such dysfunctional policy cannot bring anything good to any people. NOT even Indian people! If Germany and France can work as partners (Germans attacked France plenty of times) to advance their countries, why can't India work as a "Partner" with Bangladesh. As I said, India has disfunctional relationship with ALL regional countries. So no one wins except defense contractors in western counties. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 2:36 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
As Dr. Roy has already stated, it is the national interests that determine the so called "mutual respect" BS. Groups, countries are not much different from individual traits. If you know you can dominate your neighbor, you do it explicitly or implicitly. Pakistan's all weather friend China is the perfect example. Pakistanis visit Beijing with a beggar's bowl and you can easily guess what exactly happens within the four walls of Beijing palaces. The world is pretty much messed up since countries evolved. You are either a bully or bullied country. The only exception is the Scandinavian countries. But they too get bullied by Russians and Americans Only remedy is to stop blaming Indians for our problems. We need to grow up. We created our countries and we need to make to work assuming India as a foreign non friendly country. The same goes with Burma. Yes, life is tough. If Bangladesh or Pakistan were stronger, they would be playing exactly the same role. -SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
Good point SD.
However India is not exactly a paradise for human rights and many other vital areas.
India does it's "Bully routine" with all neighboring countries. That is why it has such dysfunctional relationship with countries within the region.
It is India's best interest to treat BD with due dignity and respect.
Respect will result in good relationship and bullying resulted massive distrust between countries.
Respecting other countries is not only "Good policy" it very "Effective" policy as well.
Shalom!
However India is not exactly a paradise for human rights and many other vital areas.
India does it's "Bully routine" with all neighboring countries. That is why it has such dysfunctional relationship with countries within the region.
It is India's best interest to treat BD with due dignity and respect.
Respect will result in good relationship and bullying resulted massive distrust between countries.
Respecting other countries is not only "Good policy" it very "Effective" policy as well.
Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
"2. The relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect."
I love your way of writing. It reminds me my structured school days of past.
What I do not like is the way you try to impose your fixed ideas and doctrines on others. How do you define your inter country mutual respect? Do US, EU and China have enough respect for our country when we are not even behaving like adults. We still beg for favor from these powerful countries. Should Somalia and Bangladesh get equal respects from the US? I think you know the answer.
Mutual respect should not be a demand, you need to earn it, brother!
-SD
I love your way of writing. It reminds me my structured school days of past.
What I do not like is the way you try to impose your fixed ideas and doctrines on others. How do you define your inter country mutual respect? Do US, EU and China have enough respect for our country when we are not even behaving like adults. We still beg for favor from these powerful countries. Should Somalia and Bangladesh get equal respects from the US? I think you know the answer.
Mutual respect should not be a demand, you need to earn it, brother!
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
-Seuss
From: Dr. Em Pannah <epannah@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
Dear Readers,
Salam / good afternoon. Would you please join me to say:
1. It should be crystal clear to everybody that Bangladesh is a sovereign and independent country like India.
2. The relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect.
3. We thank India when their help to Bangladesh is unconditional.
With best regards,
Em Pannah (a.k.a. Muktijodha Emarat Hossain Pannah)
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Doctor of Management (Cybersecurity, Privacy, and Identity Theft), MS, MSc., CISSP, CAP, CISM, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM, Foundations of Cybersecurity
Doctor of Management (Cybersecurity, Privacy, and Identity Theft), MS, MSc., CISSP, CAP, CISM, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM, Foundations of Cybersecurity
Cybersecurity Professional, Textbook Writer/Publisher, and Adjunct Assistant Professor in USA
Primary email: epannah@yahoo.com | Secondary email: em.pannah@faculty.umuc.edu
Primary phone: (443) 690-3955![]( "Call: (443) 690-3955")
| Secondary phone: (301) 358-9232![]( "Call: (301) 358-9232")
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Primary phone: (443) 690-3955
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [reform-bd] HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!
There are times when India getting such contracts make sense. This is one of those cases. India has been requesting BD government to allow it to transport goods to eastern India. It seems this is part of that plan.
As far as India-phobia is concern, it does exist. Similarly Indians also have "Bangla-phobia". It is clearly seen in many of their policies and practices. As I said before these two relatively friendly countries have ONE major issues. Which is how to share water.
Rest can be solved within six months. However India seems forever unwilling to take progressive steps to make it happen. We had high hope with India many times (last time after BAL was elected and government was working with Tista water issue) and India burst our hopes most of those times.
So while we should not be denying the fact that, India-phobia exists. At the same time, we should point out it is failed Indian policies which causes most of such feelings. It is good to remind all of us that, all of India's neighbors share this "Phobia". You can talk to people from Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan and you will get similar feedback.
As I said, once India realize it has to lead the region than bully the region, we can live harmoniously.
Shalom!-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 5:24 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [reform-bd] HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!I have been scratching my head to find out what's wrong in the tender notice. I could not find anything unusual there. It seems like - India is building a container port in Narayongonj; nothing wrong there. They are seeking tender bids; nothing wrong there either. Then, why is it generating so much anxiety among some people? Then I realized - oh, yes – it must be the ghost of our past Pakistani mindset, the fear of India (India-phobia), still haunting many Bangladeshis.Let me ask a question - who will build Padma Bridge? Must be built with funds from some foreign governments. Let say it is Japanese or South Korean. There will be ads for tender bids in their own country to contract out works. It's like when USA does rebuilding works, it hires their own companies to do so. The question is - would that be as worrisome to these people as it is with this particular case? I don't think so; won't you agree? This is what I called India-phobia. It's still at work, especially, among BNP/Jamat supporters. This is why Bangladesh will never be a friendly neighbor of India, ever.Let me know - where I am wrong here.Jiten RoyFrom: Dr. Em Pannah <epannah@yahoo.com>
To: "reform-bd@yahoogroups.com" <reform-bd@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:25 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [reform-bd] HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!Dear Readers,Is this a real document or a doctored one? I am worried if it is true but very difficult to believe internet contents as so much of doctored and distorted documents are flooding the Internet now.With best regards,
Em Pannah (a.k.a. Muktijodha Emarat Hossain Pannah)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dr. Em Pannah
Doctor of Management (Cybersecurity, Privacy, and Identity Theft), MS, MSc., CISSP, CAP, CISM, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM, Foundations of CybersecurityCybersecurity Professional, Textbook Writer/Publisher, and Adjunct Assistant Professor in USA
Primary email: epannah@yahoo.com | Secondary email: em.pannah@faculty.umuc.edu
Primary phone: (443) 690-3955| Secondary phone: (301) 358-9232
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From: Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>
To: notun Bangladesh <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; "reform-bd@yahoogroups.com" <reform-bd@yahoogroups.com>; Biplob Kuddus <vinnomot@yahoogroups.com>; Shamsher M Chowdhury <shamsher.mchowdhury@gmail.com>; BNP -GERMANY MASUD REZA <masudreza2000@yahoo.de>; BNP Canada <Canada.bnp@gmail.com>; abid bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com>; Masud Ali <ibnmasum@gmail.com>
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