Nazrul was in a tiny place and he was not getting treatment. When he arrived in Dhaka, our national professor was in charge of his treatment. Most people (Educated) who lived in Bangladesh are aware of this. I have not said anything new here. It seems I have offended some members here by criticizing India in a grave way. I thought you people are for criticism and love to criticize others about politics and religion. When light is on India, it seems to bring out some passion for it.
It could have been a heartwarming experience, if you were an Indian.
Here in Mukto-mona we often criticize many countries like Pakistan, USA, Saudi Arabia etc, I do not see such "Jehadi" spirit to irrationally defend these country.
2. Has any one in this forum ever said that Indian Hindus are not communal?
>>>>>>>>> Some tried to say that (I don't think you said it) but it is public information. No debate is necessary.
Why do you start with a false assumption simply to avoid proving that Nazrul used to live in a hellish condition in Kolkata?
>>>>>>>>>>> WHY do you think it is false? Haven't you seen that, he was taken directly to a hospital? Havn't you see that, he was under treatment at PG hospital (Now Sheikh Mujibur Rahman hospital) for the longest time? Why do you think he was released by Indian government?
3. Could Shabana Azmi finally buy an apartment in Mumbai or not?
>>>>>>>>>> ONLy after making it a national PUBLIC issue. In other words after shaming communists of Mumbai, she was able to avail one. Just imagine what happens to common Muslims in the same situation?
I will not be surprised if her offer was rejected by a Hindu fanatic apartment complex owner. I will do a little research on this interesting story. I am surprised because Mumbai is full of rich Muslim people of various professions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With all due respect, this issue have been discussed for the longest time in Indian national TVs and newspaper. You seems to be full of doubt about it. Here is another news for you. It is very difficult for common Muslims to rent apartments in all major Indian cities. Bluntly simply based on religion.
Here in Dhaka, we do NOT have such issues.
4. Are you trying to divide the Muktomona subscribers on the basis of religion?
>>>>>>>>>> Some of our members have done that already. It became such an issue that, a freedom fighter had to reveal all his personal information to prove that, he was not rajakar supporter or not enriched with " pre-independence Pakistani mentality."
Sadly none of the wise guys of this forum ever offered an apology for behaving in such a sub-human level. To them terms like fairness, humanity are some slogans they often preach but never was motivated enough to live by them. I call it highest level of deception and hypocrisy.
One of my dad's colleagues used to talk to him say like this: Apnago Nehru, apanago Lal Bahdur Shashtri. It was in sixties.
>>>>>>>>>> You are welcome to judge me as you like. It is out of my power to say stuff about myself and I do not need to prove anything for anyone. I have left thousands of posts here and tried by best to speak the truth and be honest with fellow members.
Some members were offended when I said similar stuff about Pakistan. Now some members are offended when a simple survey were shared about India. It takes courage to be a mukto-mona. Ironically I do not think most members (At least active ones) have required courage or moral strength for being a mukto-mona. They are trapped in very predictable political, religious social views.
I am not significant enough person who need to be defended. If you dislike my opinions, I respectfully accept your opinion. NO debate necessary (And no personal attacks from me).
Recently one of the hot topic in Bangladesh is opinions about our current budget.
Senior scholar of center for policy dialogue Dr. Debopriyo Bhattacargo were under attack for his critical opinions about budget (he called it "porobastob"). I remember he was viciously attacked by Mr. Mahmudur Rahman (With religious slur) (Now editor of Daily Amar Desh. Back then he was adviser for energy policy of BNP lead government). Poor Dr. Bhattacargo's fault was he gave his scholarly opinion and gotten himself into under attack by government fed attack dogs.
I guess he was saved by his religion this time. Otherwise he would have been called for his "pre-independence Pakistani mentality" or , even a rajakar. These labels are abused to kill a meaningful discussion.
In our country, we have hard time accepting reality but expect everyone else to be perfect all the time.
You do not live in Bangladesh or India (We get at least 20 Indian TV channels here, India gets no BD channel, but I'll leave this issue for another day). But your confidence about condition inside India or Bangladesh is surprising. I do not think you know enough to participate about these issues but just getting angry at me out of emotion. It is cure but not fair.
Shalom!
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1. So you are not prepared to defend your strong comment that Nazrul used to live in a hellish condition in Kolkata. Research archive on Nazrul will reamin incomplete!
>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly tell me WHY do you think this information is not authentic?
1. So you are not prepared to defend your strong comment that Nazrul used to live in a hellish condition in Kolkata. Research archive on Nazrul will reamin incomplete!
2. Has any one in this forum ever said that Indian Hindus are not communal? Why do you start with a false assumption simply to avoid proving that Nazrul used to live in a hellish condition in Kolkata?
3. Could Shabana Azmi finally buy an apartment in Mumbai or not? I will not be surprised if her offer was rejected by a Hindu fanatic apartment complex owner. I will do a little research on this interesting story. I am surprised because Mumbai is full of rich Muslim people of various professions.
4. Are you trying to divide the Muktomona subscribers on the basis of religion? I hope not because that is what I call pre-independence Pakistani mentality. I thought you are lot less prejudiced than Mr. Mohiuddin Anwar. One of my dad's colleagues used to talk to him say like this: Apnago Nehru, apanago Lal Bahdur Shashtri. It was in sixties.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
You should be prepared to defend these strong words. Exposure of any secret you know will benefit thos
>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I said my part. You do not have to embrace it. Those who want to accept it, they will. Those who don't, they will keep resorting to "Ku-tarka" until the cows come home but will not stop. Some of these information are from personal sources and I don't have to give out those information. Again, you do not have to accept it (I said it few times now, hope you understand the meaning of it). But a lot of people still remember photos from that time and stories. They don't need proof of neglect. India is one such country where an very famous actress like Shabana Azmi had hard time buying an apartment in Mumbai (Because of her religion. Albeit she is not known to be devout). So don't lecture me about it. Maybe some of you do not know about it (And it is understandable, I am not accusing you of cheating here). Maybe some of you should spend some time learning something new. Few days ago I saw an classified ad (I think it was Prothom Alo) about apartment for sale for Hindus only. As I said, we are not perfect, we need to do lot more than what we are offering for minorities but comparing to the religion, we are most liberal country. If it was not for manipulative politicians and weak elections, our minorities (And poor, middle class Muslims) would have seen lot more security than what they see. We are not a warrior nation. Sometime you can describe us as emotional or childish but racism is not one of the most prominent label one can put on Bangladesh. India fits nicely on top racist country because of official structural racism it has been cultivating for thousands of years. Shalom!
For now I will concentrate on one point. You have claimed that you know much more about Nazrul. You have claimed that Nazrul was in hellish condition in India. Mujib rescued him. You should be prepared to defend these strong words. Exposure of any secret you know will benefit thosSent from my iPhone
Many prominent Hindu writers including Rabindranath and Sarat Chandra have portrayed Muslim charcters in their fictions.
>>>>>>>> I am not as well read as yourself. Kindly share some of these "Muslim characters". Did they write anything more than a house servant or maid type of character? Sharot wrote a lot. How many leading characters? I can think of "Kabuliwala" by Rabindranath who murdered another person for money. Do you know of any positive leading characters? Rabindranath took inspiration from many bauls in Bangladesh, how many did he mention? Hindu intellectuals towards the Muslim writers have been changing over time in a positive direction. One should be able to see it if he can shun his pre-independence Pakistani mindset. >>>>>>> Talking about me? If that is the case, you are very wrong. But he wrote many more "Hindu" songs than Islamic songs as the former were in greater demand at that time. It does not mean that "Hindu" songs were his artificial creations; no doubt, they came out of his poetic imagination.>>>>>>>>>> That is what I said. Why are you so angry? The statement that "Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal" probably testifies to a certain kind of pre-independence Pakistani attitude on the part of Mr. Rahman. He may however enlighten us a little bit more on what he means by that. >>>>>>>>> It would be much more helpful, if YOU spend some time talking to Muslims or Hindus from West Bengal and find out what condition he was in. He did not even receive proper treatment. I do not have any desire to get more into this. As I said, I know much more about Nazrul than what is available to mainstream population. If you do not agree, that is fine. Some of you are VERY offended with a survey about India, others are angry that, I said India ignored Nazrul. I have shared my observation and since it is not Veda or Qurán, you don't have to lose sleep over it or resort to personal attacks. West Bengal and India has serious issues with many communities. Not only about Muslims. Maybe you are not aware of them but it is futile to spend all of our time about it unless you can go beyond your opinion on it. If I respond to your verbal abuse, you would not be able to take it. And I have NO intention to insult anyone here. Shalom!
-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sat, Jun 8, 2013 3:29 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'
The bottom line is that Nazrul was not a Muslim poet; he was much more than that which the Muslim nationalists will never comprehend.
Examples of Muslim poet please.
Rabindranath proudly called himself Rabi Baul. Many prominent Hindu writers including Rabindranath and Sarat Chandra have portrayed Muslim charcters in their fictions. Rabindranath had cordial relationship with Nazrul. Communication gap between the two societies has been closing and hence attitudes of the Hindu intellectuals towards the Muslim writers have been changing over time in a positive direction. One should be able to see it if he can shun his pre-independence Pakistani mindset.
Nazrul did not sell his soul to the publishers. That is true. But he wrote many more "Hindu" songs than Islamic songs as the former were in greater demand at that time. It does not mean that "Hindu" songs were his artificial creations; no doubt, they came out of his poetic imagination.
The statement that "Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal" probably testifies to a certain kind of pre-independence Pakistani attitude on the part of Mr. Rahman. He may however enlighten us a little bit more on what he means by that.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
I agree with your understanding of Nazrul. Just wanted to add my thoughts here. I do not feel that, there is anything wrong with being a Muslim poet. However Nazrul had this rare ability to offer a lot for almost all people. Despite faith background no one was neglected by him. Which was the case for most other intellectuals of his time. Hindu intellectuals did not mention Muslims in their poem, prose etc. Sometime portrayed them badly. Some Muslim intellectuals ONLY focused on Muslims and Islam. Nazrul on the other hand cared for everyone and his identity as a POET, WRITER and a patriot was most prominent. He did not sell his soul to publishers and kept giving to common people as long he was capable. I am glad Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal and tried his level best to honor him. I feel it is OK to follow our religions of choice but it should not stop us from caring for each other or speaking truth when it helps our people. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'
Kazi Nazrul Islam was born in a Muslim family; that was his only tie with the religion. He was neither a Muslim nor a Hindu by heart; he was a religious libertarian. His Shyama Sangit, Kirtan, Kawali, Gazzal, etc. bear hallmarks of religious libertarianism. He was a model secular person, and a sociopolitical revolutionary.
There is no doubt that - Indian cultural/literary society purged him for unexplained reasons. His model secular personality could have been so helpful in India in promoting secularism. I hope that, Bangladesh will not make the same mistake by promoting him as a Muslim-Poet, which he was not. It will be a blatant mischaracterization of such a revered secular personality. Also, it will be a gross betrayal with his departed soul, which can no longer revolt against such injustices, as he did in all his life.
Jiten Roy
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