Unless we learn from history (And faults of our forefathers) we cannot correct them for next generations.
Member Shaha, try to stick to the topic discussed. Don't worry about what I do. I do not dictate you to do anything and neither it should be given to others. People should have their free will to do whatever they feel (As long it is non-violent).
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:45 pm
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We can blame Americans for the same bias against the blacks. Rather than whining, people should learn how to write and create their own fictions. Do not expect other people to write about your heroes. Ask Arab writers how many times they have portrayed Jews as their heroes?
QR should stop bitching and start writing about his fictional heroes!
-SD
-Seuss
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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I can think of "Kabuliwala" by Rabindranath who murdered another person for money. Do you know of any positive leading characters?
Rabindranath took inspiration from many bauls in Bangladesh, how many did he mention?
Hindu intellectuals towards the Muslim writers have been changing over time in a positive direction. One should be able to see it if he can shun his pre-independence Pakistani mindset.
>>>>>>> Talking about me? If that is the case, you are very wrong.
But he wrote many more "Hindu" songs than Islamic songs as the former were in greater demand at that time. It does not mean that "Hindu" songs were his artificial creations; no doubt, they came out of his poetic imagination.
>>>>>>>>>> That is what I said. Why are you so angry?
The statement that "Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal" probably testifies to a certain kind of pre-independence Pakistani attitude on the part of Mr. Rahman. He may however enlighten us a little bit more on what he means by that.
>>>>>>>>> It would be much more helpful, if YOU spend some time talking to Muslims or Hindus from West Bengal and find out what condition he was in. He did not even receive proper treatment. I do not have any desire to get more into this. As I said, I know much more about Nazrul than what is available to mainstream population.
If you do not agree, that is fine.
Some of you are VERY offended with a survey about India, others are angry that, I said India ignored Nazrul.
I have shared my observation and since it is not Veda or Qurán, you don't have to lose sleep over it or resort to personal attacks. West Bengal and India has serious issues with many communities. Not only about Muslims. Maybe you are not aware of them but it is futile to spend all of our time about it unless you can go beyond your opinion on it.
If I respond to your verbal abuse, you would not be able to take it. And I have NO intention to insult anyone here.
Shalom!
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Re: [mukto-mona] ’আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি’
Yeah, still cannot accept a fact. Absolutely since our independence our writers are taking care of the issue but we were talking about what happened before.
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Writers should have total freedom to choose the characters they want for their fictions. They are writers, not social engineers. A good writer needs to know his/her character very well to create his/her best creation. If I do not know Rahim, why should I be forced to create that character?
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
I will come back. For now I must say that your reading of Kabuliwala is extremely shallow. Even in Pakistan time the education policy makers could not think the way you have thought.
Many prominent Hindu writers including Rabindranath and Sarat Chandra have portrayed Muslim charcters in their fictions.
>>>>>>>> I am not as well read as yourself. Kindly share some of these "Muslim characters". Did they write anything more than a house servant or maid type of character? Sharot wrote a lot. How many leading characters?
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The bottom line is that Nazrul was not a Muslim poet; he was much more than that which the Muslim nationalists will never comprehend.
Examples of Muslim poet please.
Rabindranath proudly called himself Rabi Baul. Many prominent Hindu writers including Rabindranath and Sarat Chandra have portrayed Muslim charcters in their fictions. Rabindranath had cordial relationship with Nazrul. Communication gap between the two societies has been closing and hence attitudes of the Hindu intellectuals towards the Muslim writers have been changing over time in a positive direction. One should be able to see it if he can shun his pre-independence Pakistani mindset.
Nazrul did not sell his soul to the publishers. That is true. But he wrote many more "Hindu" songs than Islamic songs as the former were in greater demand at that time. It does not mean that "Hindu" songs were his artificial creations; no doubt, they came out of his poetic imagination.
The statement that "Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal" probably testifies to a certain kind of pre-independence Pakistani attitude on the part of Mr. Rahman. He may however enlighten us a little bit more on what he means by that.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
I agree with your understanding of Nazrul. Just wanted to add my thoughts here. I do not feel that, there is anything wrong with being a Muslim poet. However Nazrul had this rare ability to offer a lot for almost all people. Despite faith background no one was neglected by him. Which was the case for most other intellectuals of his time. Hindu intellectuals did not mention Muslims in their poem, prose etc. Sometime portrayed them badly. Some Muslim intellectuals ONLY focused on Muslims and Islam. Nazrul on the other hand cared for everyone and his identity as a POET, WRITER and a patriot was most prominent. He did not sell his soul to publishers and kept giving to common people as long he was capable. I am glad Sheikh Mujibur Rahman rescued him from West Bengal and tried his level best to honor him. I feel it is OK to follow our religions of choice but it should not stop us from caring for each other or speaking truth when it helps our people. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'
Kazi Nazrul Islam was born in a Muslim family; that was his only tie with the religion. He was neither a Muslim nor a Hindu by heart; he was a religious libertarian. His Shyama Sangit, Kirtan, Kawali, Gazzal, etc. bear hallmarks of religious libertarianism. He was a model secular person, and a sociopolitical revolutionary.
There is no doubt that - Indian cultural/literary society purged him for unexplained reasons. His model secular personality could have been so helpful in India in promoting secularism. I hope that, Bangladesh will not make the same mistake by promoting him as a Muslim-Poet, which he was not. It will be a blatant mischaracterization of such a revered secular personality. Also, it will be a gross betrayal with his departed soul, which can no longer revolt against such injustices, as he did in all his life.
Jiten Roy
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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