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Wednesday, August 7, 2013

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I see similarity between Congress and AL and also between BJP and BNP. I think Congress prefers AL to BNP and BJP prefers BNP to AL. Who knows BJP may be waiting for themselves and BNP to get back the power and then solve some unsettled issues after the elections in India and Bangladesh. Both BNP and BJP are rightist parties. Most of the prominent Hindu members have RSS connection while BNP is openly supportive of Jamaat and recently Hefazat.  

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona]
 
BJP is a known hatemonger institution of India who enthusiastically take action against non-Hindu minorities inside India and non-Hindu neighbors. We have seen this trend for decades. It is sad to watch when a well known personality like Dr. Sen speaks up against such hateful organization, we see members here are blaming Dr. Sen instead of the culprit BJP. Historically it was back up by murderous organization like RSS (One of it's member murdered Ghandiji), so I am just calling spade a spade. This is not based on emotion but rock solid data!! Here is latest from their anti-Bangladesh hateful action (Remember BD is the most trusted neighbor of India) ......Shalom!========================================================================================================================================================

BJP backs off!

India Correspondent,  bdnews24.com
Published: 2013-08-07 09:45:27.0 BdST Updated: 2013-08-07 13:24:50.0 BdST
BJP has indicated it may not support the Constitution amendment bill the Indian government is placing in the Parliament to give effect to the 2011 Indo-Bangladesh land boundary agreement.
 
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Indian Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid has been persuading all opposition parties including the BJP to support the bill in "national interests to take forward improving relations with Bangladesh".

Khurshid has tried to impress on the opposition lawmakers and leaders that Bangladesh is now India's most friendly and important neighbour — a country that Indians trust the most, as revealed in a recent survey commissioned by the Hindu newspaper and the CNN-IBN channel.

But BJP leader Yashwant Sinha, a former Finance Minister of the country, has told journalists that it was not possible for his party to support the bill because the "government has not taken all stakeholders into confidence".

"The government has ruined our relations with all neighbours," he said.

Sinha belongs to the hardline BJP faction led by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi who is backed by the party's national president Rajnath Singh.

But BJP moderates like former Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh, leader in Upper House Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj as well as former Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani seems to be in favour of the deal.

The bill will be placed by the government in the ongoing monsoon session of the Parliament.

"We are into last ditch efforts to convince the BJP to get this through," said an official of the ministry of external affairs.

But Delhi's political circles are less than optimistic.


-----Original Message-----From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 12:07 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্য
 
Actually, I believe people who are really secular do make the fair judgments vis-a-vis BJP, BNP and Awami League. Of course, the Islamist hate-mongers and the pseudo-secular idiots and hateful minds of the sub-continent talk against BJP while BNP and Awami League are OK with them.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্য
 
It is highly probable that Modi may have been passive in response to the riot. If passivity on the part of Modi is unpardonable crime, then Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina committed similar unpardonable crimes. They had been passive during all communal violence in Bangladesh during their tenures. In fact, Awami League government recently ordered stand down instructions to the local law and order administration during the communal violence on Buddhist community at Hazarihat, Chittagong. When religious minorities were begging for protection, Police officer-in-charge said his hands are tied. No one is asking for heads in these cases?

Are you sure you are all making fair judgment here.

Jiten Roy

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য [1 Attachment]
 
"How do we justify Modi's instruction to the police officer" - that looks like a fiction.  Debate has continued since the riot on the role of Modi in it and nobody has proven his involvement.  For details please read the attachment.
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
How do we justify Modi's instruction to the police officer: Let the people vent their anger (ref. a recent post in mukto-mona). How do we justify Vajpayee's annoyance with Modi: how long have I to watch the bloodshed? Forget about active imvolvement. Even all such passivity on the part of a seating CM is unpardonable crime. 

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On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Involvement of Modi in Gujrat riots has never been proved.  One may look into the myth of Gujrat Riots in http://www.gujaratriots.com/.  In a land where H. S. Suhrawardy is adored as a prince of democracy(Ganatantrer Barputra), Modi should be treated as an angel, albeit of a Hindu variety.
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
While I do not have a problem with Amartya Sen's comments regarding Chandam Mitra's demand for him to return the Bharat Ratna because he did not want Narendra Modi to be the Prime Minister of India, I probably would have handled the issue differently. If I were in Sen's shoes, I probably would have said something like, "my honorability has nothing to do with what Modi or BJP was, and I am ignoring Mitra's demand."

As for India's leaders influencing what goes on in Bangladesh, Modi could not be effective in secularizing Bangladesh; because he does not have a secular credential. However, talking theoretically, if India had no-nonsense secular people running the country, Bangladesh would have felt a lot more pressure to get its acts together; Bangladeshi Hindus would not have been going to India because of being victims of Muslim hatred and atrocities at their homeland of centuries.

SuBain

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy?"

My comment was not against Sen's remark about Modi, Dr. Bain. I said that - he has the right to do so.
My comment was, rather, on the subject of returning the Bharat Ratna medal and the tile to Vajpayee. This award has nothing to do with Modi.

Indian people know better who should be their Prime Minister. I am not in tune with their situations.
Whether Modi or someone else becomes the PM, things will not change much for Bangladesh. In fact, 2001 carnage on Hindus in Bangladesh happened during the BJP rule in India; India did not come forward to save the religious minorities in Bangladesh. So, what could be different if they come to power again? That's why - I don't care who becomes the PM.

As for our relatives in India, I am sure - nothing will change for them during another BJP tenure. They have been there before.

Thanks.

Jiten Roy


From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
Looks like Dr. Roy has missed the justification that I have provided in the last post below as to why "I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back." Clearly, Dr. Roy has failed to think what he was talking about below about Narendra Modi. Professor Sen was not allergic to the award from Prime Minister Vajpayee, who was respectable enough to term the Gujarat Riots a "National Shame." Did Modi call that a "National Shame", Dr. Roy? Did Modi as the Chief Minister of Gujarat take the responsibility of the failure of his administration to stop the riots? Never mind who started it and how many were killed from what religious community, it was Modi's job to provide safety and security for all citizens of Gujarat.

As for the sorry state of affairs in Bangladesh, I agree with Dr. Roy.

As for India, while I am not a voter there, I do care about what kind of people leads that country. In spite of Dr. Roy's statement below, I have no doubt that he also cares about what kind of people leads India. Both he and I have too many friends and relatives in India, both of us know that the leaders of India can influence what happens in Bangladesh, our beloved motherland. Obviously, we probably have some differences in philosophies, and what the two of us want India to be might be somewhat different.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মন্তব্যের জন্য ক্ষমা চাইবেন না অমর্ত্য

 
"I also think that it was OK for Professor Sen to say that he would return it if Atal Bihari Vajpayee asked it back."

May I know what the justification behind this comment is?
Let me ask you also - why didn't he decline to receive the medal and the title from Atal Bihari Vajpei if he was so allergic to this award?

As I said before, not supporting Modi is his legitimate right. But, being an academician and a Nobel Laureate, he should know better. The riot in Gujrat was the result of a statewide spontaneous mob outbreak from both sides, which resulted 31,000 arrests throughout the state, 80% were Hindus. Total 140 killed in Police firing, 80 of them were Hindus. In the first 3 days 100 were killed, 70 were Hindus. Let's remember, Indian communal riots are never one-sided. Prime Minister termed this disaster as a "National Shame." One BJP State Minister of Modi government has been hanged recently. Do you still think Modi and Indian government did not do enough? I believe - Modi is a victim of propaganda. Modi is banned from entry to USA as a result of propaganda campaign. Some people even compared him as Golam Azam of India. So on and so forth …

Educated people should not get carried away by prop


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