You are MORE than welcome to write about Islam. I am asking YOU to LEARN about it first. VERY simple and logical request. If I want to talk about math, I need to know about it. If I want to criticize you, I need to study about you. Similarly if you care to criticize Islam, please learn about the topic FIRST. Otherwise it looks like rant against Islam (And distortion of Islam).
Anyway, I said Hajj is recommended for those who can afford.
>>>>>> Nope. Let me see, you said Hajj is not mandatory; it is recommended for once in a life-time to those who can afford.
Looks like you have attained qualities of Bangladeshi politicians. First you said it then denied it. Pretty sad. Hajj is mandatory for all Muslims (Who are physically and financially able)
It is hard for me to conceive that Hajj could be mandatory for all who can afford. How does someone know if he/she can afford to go for Hajj?
>>>>>>>> Well Islam does not depend of speculation or guess work. It is a very structured religion. Here are eligibility criteria of hajj
The first condition for a person is that he/she should be able to meet the financial expenses of his/her journey. Hajj is performed in Makkah and therefore pilgrims from all over the world have to gather there for a certain period of time. This requires expenses of journey, provisions and other miscellaneous things. Whoever is financially weak will not be able to bear these expenses and hence Allah exempts such persons from this obligation. Therefore, Hajj is not farz upon a poor person (i.e. whoever can't meet the expenses of the journey).
The second condition for a person is that he/she should be physically fit and able to undertake a journey. This is yet another important requirement, for Hajj journey may bring the pilgrim across some ups and downs (difficulties) which extremely old and sick persons may not be able to handle alone. Therefore, one has to be physically stable (well) in order to undertake the journey. However, such old people may undertake the journey along with some young persons (like their sons etc.) who can take care of them during the journey.
The third condition for a person is that he/she should be free of debts. If he/she has borrowed money from someone earlier, then he/she should pay off the debts before proceeding for Hajj. If after paying off the debts, the money he/she is left with is not sufficient to meet the expenses of the journey, then Hajj is not farz on such a person in such a condition. Thus, Hajj can't be done by borrowed money. However, if someone willingly sponsors a person financially, then he/she may do so.
The fourth condition for a person is that he/she should return any property or wealth taken unjustly to its right owner and make amends for the wrong act by asking for forgiveness from Allah as well as the person.
The fifth condition is that one should use Halal wealth. This is very important, as Allah is pure and He accepts only what is pure.
Hajj is farz only on people who are sane.
Hajj is not farz for children who have not yet attained the age of puberty. However, they (such children) may do Hajj; it shall be considered as a voluntary (nawafil) Hajj, and the parents/guardians accompanying the children in Hajj shall be rewarded doubly for that. This narration has been reported in Hadith 2910, Chapters on Hajj Rituals, Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 4. Such children will have to perform their farz Hajj after attaining the age of puberty.
>>>>>>> Please click here to read an article on the topic. If you have questions (After reading it), I'll try to answer.
Shalom!
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Haj photo-ops of Khaleda
>>>>>>>> For every capable person (male and female with physical and financial capacity) it is 100% mandatory to perform hajj at least ONCE in a life time. Member Roy I do not expect to you (not Muslim person) to know this (Albeit most Bangladeshis know as it is very basic in Islam) know about Islam, KINDLY stop talking about stuff you do not know.
If you want to talk about political leaders, feel free.
If someone thinks he/she can buy a seat in the heaven by going to Hajj multiple times, he/she is a fool
>>>>>>>> It is mandatory to perform it ONCE and if someone does it more than once, it is just an option only. Not a requirement of Islam.
I could appreciate it more if Jana-Netri would send some poor people from the slum for Hajj with the money she spent for her own Hajj so many times. That would definitely accrue much more credits, in my view.
>>>>>>>>> Good point.
You should learn to criticize your leaders, when they do wrong. Otherwise, you will get bunch of garbage from them.
>>>>>>> Thank you for the reminder.
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Haj photo-ops of Khaleda
I could appreciate it more if Jana-Netri would send some poor people from the slum for Hajj with the money she spent for her own Hajj so many times. That would definitely accrue much more credits, in my view.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Haj photo-ops of Khaleda
Mr. Q. Rahman,
I know you are here to correct me; that's why I dared to write about Islam.
>>>>>> this is a BS answer. I am NOT here to correct you but you frequently share WRONG information about Islam. So I try to offer correct information.
E. Eligibility criteria of hajj
Let us understand what conditions make a person eligible to undertake the journey of Hajj. We shall discuss them briefly one-by-one.
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How do you know what emergency may arise in future; you may lose your job or become injured. Don't you need some rainy day funds in the bank for such emergency, instead of spending it all for Hajj, and then suffer rest of the life?
>>>>>>> Hajj is done with extra money. Also after paying off all outstanding loans. So if one person has extra money after paying (Or calculating) all debts, he/she is eligible for hajj.
Mandatory Hajj does not make sense to me, Mr. Rahman.
>>>>>>>>> It is not important to make sense to you. As long Muslims agree with the concept, we are fine.
Can you help me understand who must go for Hajj?
"KINDLY stop talking about stuff you do not know."
Mr. Q. Rahman,
I know you are here to correct me; that's why I dared to write about Islam.
Anyway, I said Hajj is recommended for those who can afford.
It is hard for me to conceive that Hajj could be mandatory for all who can afford. How does someone know if he/she can afford to go for Hajj?
Just because you may have some extra savings one year, that should not mandate you to go for Hajj that year. How do you know what emergency may arise in future; you may lose your job or become injured. Don't you need some rainy day funds in the bank for such emergency, instead of spending it all for Hajj, and then suffer rest of the life? How much is enough savings for future? I don't know. Mandatory Hajj does not make sense to me, Mr. Rahman.
Can you help me understand who must go for Hajj?
Jiten Roy
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:20 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Hajj is not mandatory; it is recommended for once in a life-time to those who can afford.
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Hajj is not mandatory; it is recommended for once in a life-time to those who can afford.
Therefore, when someone does it multiple times, just because he/she can, it becomes redundant and useless visit. If someone thinks he/she can buy a seat in the heaven by going to Hajj multiple times, he/she is a fool. That's why I am counting how many times the 'Jana-Netri' of one of the poorest countries in the world goes to Saudi Arabia to perform Hajj. I hope you understand my point now.
Why are you comparing Hajj with burglary/corruption? I don't understand your argument. Please clarify? These are two different issues. Isn't it?
I am amazed by thoughts of well literate people, like you, who are unable to think straight. You are mixing up ideas in order to defend your political leader. You should learn to criticize your leaders, when they do wrong. Otherwise, you will get bunch of garbage from them.
Jiten Roy
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:21 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Why are you wasting your time trying to find out the number of times Khaleda Zia performed Hajj? Are you tracking the number of times the (chief!) burglars burgling in Bangladesh?
When a political leader goes to a foreign country on a personal visit, it's usually part of a nefarious mission. Recently, wheelchair bound Mirza Fakrul went to Singapore; he is now bouncing on just fine; I lost track - how many times Madam Zia went to Singapore.
In my view, every year going to Mecca for Hajj is arrogance, if not sinister act, considering millions will never be able to go there even once in their lifetimes.
Jiten Roy
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