Re: [mukto-mona] Religious Conversion

"Faith" is a dangerous thing,  it blunts our intellect and cognitive ability of rational thinking. 

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Look, you are responding to a congenital dickhead, who defies all forms of logic, human history and science that are widely accepted by academicians, scientists and philosophers. Why bother even to respond? What have we learned from this neanderthal man? The man will come up with more bizarre stories with no substance to prove his another untenable point. What a waste of time and resource!

 

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss

On Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:56 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

1. The belief that "...the religion of Islam started with the first couple on earth (Adam and Eve)" defies the theory of evolution and hence is not tenable in the eyes of the scientific community. Use this as a faith based assertion and look for a transcendental meaning to make modern sense out of it. You may approach a Muslim scientist (there are some in this forum) for an explanation.

2. Regardless of what a religion says about forced conversion, history says it has occurred all the time. Many non-Muslims converted to Islam during 1971 occupation period.

3. "Therefore, the notion Islam is the newest religion is factually WRONG." Are you sure or you are making up a theory to prove the eternality of Islam? Has the prophet ever said that? I think the Koran was revealed to him in the sixth century.   

4. "If Muslims wanted to use force (Like Hindus did with Buddhists), they had more than ample opportunities to do so. They ruled India nearly a thousand years. They also ruled Southern Europe for 800 years and NO scholars ever said Muslims forced people to convert.   This was a practice in European Christians but not Muslims." It all depends on who is ruling or ruled and when, how, and where (in what circumstances) he is ruling or ruled. Atrocities committed by some Muslim invaders of India are historical facts. Why do you have to ignore or justify their heinous crimes. Many princes in India were liberal and had minimum or no preaching zeal at all. Priority of some of the rulers was to rule in collaboration with non-Hindus; preaching was not their primary goal. Because of the higher majority of non-Muslims in India, they could only jeopardize their position as rulers by angering the Hindus. In the modern world, it has now become lot harder to convert unless in chaotic situation that prevailed, for example, in 1971 in East Pakistan.           

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Religious Conversion

 

Member Roy, There are some major mistakes about information (About Islam and Christianity) you posted. We have discussed these issues with web based references but it seems you stayed with wrong information. For example, the religion of Islam started with the first couple on earth (Adam and Eve). Also forced conversion is NOT permissible by the religion and there were NO major event of forced conversion.hristianity started its religious conquest through Crusade (1095-1291) to counter Islamic conversion and hegemony around the world.  Also missionary Christianity started much earlier than the time you stated (Much earlier than crusade). Crusade itself had NO link with missionaries. Within hours from now Muslims of Bangladesh will be celebrating Eid-Ul-Azha and it had NO relation to prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Rather few thousand years ago a prophet name Ibrahim or Abraham (PBUH). The whole ritual of hajj is mostly honoring  customs and events from prophet Abraham (PBUH). Therefore, the notion Islam is the newest religion is factually WRONG. You wrote...In contrast, some Islamic groups still continue forceful, coercive, and deceitful tactics for religious conversion

>>>>>>>>> Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe and America. Kindly show in which place force was used to convert anyone. Your lack of respect to Islam was evident with many previous posts but these are distortion of facts. I hope an educated person like yourself will consider being honest with your blogs and opinions. The dream of Islamic world among many Muslims may be  polarizing the world into two poles: Islamic and non-Islamic. Many of those conversions are targeted towards younger generation.
>>>>>>>>> As I stated forced or deceitful conversion is NOT permitted in Islam. If Muslims wanted use force (Like Hindu did with Buddhists), they had more than ample opportunities to do so. They ruled India nearly a thousand years. They also ruled Southern Europe for 800 years and NO scholars ever said Muslims forced people to convert. This was a practice in European Christians but not Muslims. If you feel the information I shared was not accurate, please share your sources of information (Not another opinion but from scholars).
Shalom!

-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:36 pm Subject: [mukto-mona] Religious Conversion

 

Please have a look at the blog, entitled : Religious Conversion, by clicking on the following link:

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=2536

Thank you.

Jiten Roy

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