Dr Roy seems to have misunderstood the main theme of my write-up in his excessive zeal to remove any blame that may be apportioned to America. He should read the article once again and also read Dr Bain's comments (as given below) with an open mind and he will see the point. I must mention here that by America I didn't mean America on her own, rather the coalition of States lead by United States of America in the Iraq war. This war has not only harmed Iraq and the Middle East but also gravely damaged America morally, financially and militarily. As I said in the article and also Dr Bain mentioned that whereas Iraq was a secular state in the Middle East under Saddam Hussein, now after the war Iraq is the haven for Jihadists, including the ultra extremist ISIS. All of these things are the direct outcome of that misadventure in Iraq by the neo-cons under George W Bush.
My next write-up will focus on how Barack Obama had been trying to mend the situation (unsuccessfully) and he deserves credit for his actions. But religious antagonism is like the genie out of the bottle - once released cannot be put back and this antagonism is now cascading into something extremely vicious.
- A Rahman
From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2014, 14:36
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: America bloodies Middle East
Well, Dr. Roy, I actually wrote, "America did not make them religious fools and hate-mongers." I certainly did not say/imply that America was responsible for sectarian bloodshed in Iraq.
Those barbarians have had their hatred. Saddam's dictatorship maintained some lid on that. Do you have a comparative information on how many Shia and Sunni total and per year casualties happened during Saddam and after Saddam? While we need to know that to see at least one aspect of the US intervention, I personally do not care too much about that, as I believe that the inter- and intra-religion hatred there is home-grown, and that foreigners are not the most blameworthy on that count under any circumstances. Just like I do not blame the British for the inter- and intra-religion hatred in the Indian subcontinent
What I care about more is, what did the USA or the world gain by several thousand US soldiers' death and by hundreds of billions of US dollars for the Iraq war? I see Iraq turning from the most secular Arab state to one of the Islamic fanatic states. I see the USA wasting too much of itself in the misadventure of the Iraq war. If you disagree with me, please tell me how/why.
Well, that is all for now.
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:58 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dr. Bain,
Sad dam was painting the Iraqi-soil with Shiite blood, and filling the mass graves with Shiite bodies also. But, world did not know those stories during Saddam rule. If America was solely responsible for the sectarian bloodshed there, it would have stopped after America left.
If you ask Sunny people - they will say Iraq was peaceful during Saddam, but - ask Shiite people they will tell you the bloody history of Saddam regime. Yes, America caused much bloodshed during Iraqi war to remove Saddam Hossain, but they surely did not create sectarian-feud there, which is thousands of years old, and it is causing bloodshed every day even after Americans left that region. Yet, some people are blaming America for sectarian bloodshed there. I surely do not understand the logic. Blaming America for all ills of the Muslim world has been a tradition, which prevents them from looking at their own faults. In my view, this bloodshed is their very own creation; no one is contributing to it.
Jiten Roy
On Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:09 PM, "subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
An excellent article by Dr. A. Rahman! I agree with most of it; although the last paragraph has some conjectures that are hard to believe. I have no doubt that America has committed a misadventure in Iraq. At least for internal purposes, peoples like the Iraqis need dictators like Saddam. While America did not make them religious fools and hate-mongers, its blunder of removing Saddam has clearly made the inter-religious coexistence in Iraq too much of an intractable problem. American casualties and billions of dollars for the war in Iraq have not improved anything of America or for any other nation on Earth.
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