Yes, I do see that one could criticize the title of the article, as we agree that the religion-based hatred and violence in Iraq are home-born and home-grown.
However, let us make a comparison. Depending on the survey, the numbers vary quite a bit. But taking the average, almost 500,000 people were killed in the Iraq war. Compared to that Saddam killed about 200,000 Iraqis, as per a New York Times estimate. We can do more research and come up with different numbers, but the Iraq war would very likely give a significantly higher casualty figure. Thus, America did indeed bloody Iraq.
Even if the figures were opposite, I would still ask, for what? What did America or the world gain from the Iraq war? Certainly not a more civilized or peaceful Iraq. Certainly not a more secure America or world. The way I see it, the Iraq war an arrogant and stupid diversion of where the US operations should have concentrated - Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:51 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dr. Bain,
Please look at the title of the article; it said - "America Bloodies Middle-East, as if America is solely responsible for the bloodshed in the Middle-East. Really? That was my point.
As for statistics of mass killings during Saddam regime, please search the net - you will find everything. Thousands of skeletons were uncovered from the mass graves after Saddam regime collapsed. I believe, they have a museum for Saddam atrocities, if I am not mistaken. Have you seen the video where Saddam people were cutting hands, tongues, beheading, etc.? Most of those victims were Shiites. Also, see how Kurdish genocide in Iran were committed in 1988 by Saddam, using his biological weapons. All these has been discussed during the American invasion of Iraq. I guess you missed all those.
Jiten Roy
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:36 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Well, Dr. Roy, I actually wrote, "America did not make them religious fools and hate-mongers." I certainly did not say/imply that America was responsible for sectarian bloodshed in Iraq.
Those barbarians have had their hatred. Saddam's dictatorship maintained some lid on that. Do you have a comparative information on how many Shia and Sunni total and per year casualties happened during Saddam and after Saddam? While we need to know that to see at least one aspect of the US intervention, I personally do not care too much about that, as I believe that the inter- and intra-religion hatred there is home-grown, and that foreigners are not the most blameworthy on that count under any circumstances. Just like I do not blame the British for the inter- and intra-religion hatred in the Indian subcontinent
What I care about more is, what did the USA or the world gain by several thousand US soldiers' death and by hundreds of billions of US dollars for the Iraq war? I see Iraq turning from the most secular Arab state to one of the Islamic fanatic states. I see the USA wasting too much of itself in the misadventure of the Iraq war. If you disagree with me, please tell me how/why.
Well, that is all for now.
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:58 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dr. Bain,
Saddam was painting the Iraqi-soil with Shiite blood, and filling the mass graves with Shiite bodies also. But, world did not know those stories during Saddam rule. If America was solely responsible for the sectarian bloodshed there, it would have stopped after America left.
If you ask Sunny people - they will say Iraq was peaceful during Saddam, but - ask Shiite people they will tell you the bloody history of Saddam regime. Yes, America caused much bloodshed during Iraqi war to remove Saddam Hossain, but they surely did not create sectarian-feud there, which is thousands of years old, and it is causing bloodshed every day even after Americans left that region. Yet, some people are blaming America for sectarian bloodshed there. I surely do not understand the logic. Blaming America for all ills of the Muslim world has been a tradition, which prevents them from looking at their own faults. In my view, this bloodshed is their very own creation; no one is contributing to it.
Jiten Roy
On Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:09 PM, "subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
An excellent article by Dr. A. Rahman! I agree with most of it; although the last paragraph has some conjectures that are hard to believe. I have no doubt that America has committed a misadventure in Iraq. At least for internal purposes, peoples like the Iraqis need dictators like Saddam. While America did not make them religious fools and hate-mongers, its blunder of removing Saddam has clearly made the inter-religious coexistence in Iraq too much of an intractable problem. American casualties and billions of dollars for the war in Iraq have not improved anything of America or for any other nation on Earth.
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