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Sunday, September 21, 2014

[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Fwd: Bangladesh envoy to US presents credential to O bama



I think this discussion on Ambassador Ziauddin presenting credentials to President Obama is becoming ridiculous. There is NO CONFUSION…Only people seeing confusion  in the presentation of Ambassador Ziauddin's credentials are exposing their ignorance in an unbelievable manner. When this discussion ends, they will find out how much they have embarrassed themselves….




On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Anis Ahmed <anis.ahmed@netzero.net> wrote:

Why Bangladesh government can not post at least one photo of the Ambassador presenting credential to the President? Hon. Ambassador's visiting WH does not meant he presented credential...he and his family may have visited for another occasion...I respect and honor that.
 
Bangladeshi media (such as, Daily Star) publish(es) news based on the BD government's press reports.
 
If BD government can disseminate information with photo of Ambassador presenting his credential to the State Department official Mr. Peter A. Selfritz, I believe, it (BD Government) can post photo of Hon. Ambassador presenting credential to the President.
 
It would be better to post any photo of Hon. Ambassador presenting credential to clear confusions of the people's mind.
 
We all Bangladeshi American would be proud to see the photo.
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According to the Hindu religion, God or Goddess only accepts offering (presentation) by fresh and untouched flowers. Any devotee or priest can attend before God or Goddess with or without anything, but offering (presentation) must be made by fresh and untouched ones. Muslim and Islam Hater Mr. Shah Deeldar can not deny this. 

The attached picture answers billion/zillion inquiries and questions. In this picture Ambassador Mr. Mohammed Ziauddin presented his credential to Mr. Peter A. Selfritz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._Selfridge of the US Department of State.

If Ambassador would have presented credential to the President as shown in the attached picture, I believe, Bangladesh government would not miss the chance to take snapshot and post in media million times. 

Bangladesh government has history of manufacturing stories, such as, President Abdul Hamid's meeting and discussion with UN Chief Ban ki Moon, or Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's meeting and discussion with the British Prime Minister Mr. David Cameron very recently. However, those stories came as fake when United Nation's office and UK Prime Minister Office posted the real facts officially. 

As a Bangladeshi American, I will be highly proud to see a photo showing Ambassador was presenting credential to the President just like he did to Mr. Peter A. Selfritz.
 
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:32:21 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Bangladesh envoy to US presents credential to Obama
"There are diplomatic norms and protocols for ambassadors to present their credentials. Just wait and see before you show obnoxious ignorance."-SD

This what I wrote on 24th August 2014 in response to Faruque Choudhury post. How did RC suddenly enlightens me about these trivial diplomatic protocols? How do you conclude that both sides were being ignorant? One side was definitely obnoxious and ignorant.
-SD

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Mohammad Serajul Islam <serajul7@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks RC. With your mail, I saw a few other mail that I had not seen earlier as these were not sent to me and hence it is necessary to add to my previous mail. I now can see that those on the other side of the aisle were equally ignorant. RC has cleared that. In the US system that is also followed in many other countries, the arriving Ambassador carries copies of his credential papers keeping the originals for the Head of State/Government who receives the original credential papers. As arriving Ambassadors have to wait for the credentials ceremony , he carries copies of his credential papers that be gives to the country’s Chief of Protocol and becomes operational. 
 
In the US system, the arriving Ambassador meets the CP immediately upon arrival, hands to him/her his credential papers and becomes operational almost immediately upon arrival. He then has to wait a few weeks to meet the President and hand to him his original credential papers. Ambassdaor Ziauddin did exactly all these and there was neither any degradation or up gradation by the US Government in receiving him. I am therefore apologetic for my earlier post because it reflected one side of this un-necessary exchange on Ambassador Ziauddin and his presentation of credential papers to the US Government. There has been ignorance, blatant ones, on both sides of the unfortunate political divide in this forum... 

 
 
 

On Sep 19, 2014, at 1:58 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree with Ambassador Serajul Islam Sabuj (His message given below). Those who commented---for and against--- on the presentation of credential by Bangladesh Ambassador to the US have very little knowledge about the process and protocol involved in such matters. A newly appointed ambassador/High Commissioner first presents the copies of his credentials to the host country's foreign office, usually to the Chief of Protocol. This enables the ambassador to function in the embassy, as well as within the local diplomatic community. 
 
Formal presentation of credential by the ambassador to the president/head of the state depends on the convenience of the later. Only after completion of that ceremony, the new envoy is officially recognized in the host country. This process has nothing to do with the status of bilateral relations between the two countries. Ambassadors representing countries big or small, rich or poor, friendly or unfriendly, go through the same process as long as the two countries maintain mutual
diplomatic relations. 
 
Thanks,
RC
 
   
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Ambassador M. Ziauddin is a very close friend and an extremely competent diplomat. The Government could not have chosen a better diplomat for such an important post as that of our Ambassador to Washington. Unfortunately, the gentlemen who posted this message has, I am afraid , not even the faintest knowledge about presentation of credentials. The picture of Ambassador Ziauddin and his family  was taken when he presented his credentials as part of US protocol for credentials ceremonies, no different from what his predecessor Ambassador Akramul Qader was given when he had presented his credentials to the same President and the same that all Ambassadors to USA from all countries of he world are given when they present their credentials. I am pretty much astounded at the ignorance of the gentlemen and can’t believe that he would relate this ignorance of his to judge patriotism of those who interact in this forum. I think he owes an apology to other members of this forum who do not share his political affiliations whose patriotism he has questioned.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:52:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Bangladesh envoy to US presents credential to Obama
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Where are those (Faruk CH. AKA ANIS AHMED & FAIZUL ISLAM) mouth pieces of Anti- liberation forces now ? Come out from hibernation . I am forwarding my reply of that fraudulent post :
 
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Dear All ,
 
I am forwarding this mail to you all which I have received yesterday from Faruk Chowdhury AKA Anis Ahmed . Being a so called Commissioner he should know the normal procedure of presentation of credential of an Ambassador in USA . Its normal procedure of any Ambassador to present his or her Credential to the designated official of State Dept. at first . Then on a suitable date Ambassadors of different countries in a group present their Credentials to President Obama at Oval Office . you can notice that information at the end of the news from where this unscrupulous made this report . This is another old method of this notorious Razakar Faruk Choudhury AKA Anis Ahmed to bluff the members in this forum . I will urge Hon. Ambassador to track this FAKE ID holder Faruk Choudhury for tarnishing the image of Bangladesh by distributing this type of fabricated report in mass media .
 
Regards,
 
Dr. Manik .


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On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:01 PM, Farukh Chowdhury <farukhchowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks Mr. Faizul Islam for your wonderful comment on this subject. FC


2014-08-24 10:46 GMT+13:00 <MISLAM@aol.com>:
Bangladesh (or its people) cannot be shameful in this case. It is the dubiously elected autocratic government of Ms. Sheikh Hasina that should be shameful.
 
I was not at all surprised to know that Bangladesh Ambassador-designate to the U.S Mohammed Ziauddin presented his credential to a low ranking State Department official. I could see the writings on the wall. In my opinion, the Obama administration is sending her three terse messages.
 
1) The U.S. government has not accepted/recognized the recently held parliamentary election in Bangladesh to be free and fair whole-heartedly. Hence, the elected government of Hasina remains lacks legitimacy, in that, her government does not represent the voice and will of the people of Bangladesh.
 
2) Lately, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has become "critically vocal" of the U.S., accusing Washington of having a "double-standard" policy in public.
 
3) While adherence to the Geneva Convention on presenting diplomatic credentials is essential, it is also true that international relations/diplomacy is  "reciprocal" or "quid pro quo" based. If I am not wrong, Prime Minister Hasina has deliberately avoided to meet with U.S. Ambassador to Bangladesh Dan Mozena, for reasons best known to her. As you sow, so you reap! What goes around, comes around!
 
[As is true with elected autocrats, they have advisors as show-piece. Prime Minister Hasina is no exception in this regard. Isn't she listening to the "words of wisdom" or advice of her Foreign Advisor Gowher Rizvi, who is an ex-Faujian, Rhodes Scholar, Oxford doctorate, former Director, The Ash Institute, Harvard University, ex-Vice Provost, International Programs, University of Virginia?].
 
Faizul Islam
Washington DC
 
In a message dated 8/23/2014 3:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, farukhchowdhury@gmail.com writes:
Shame for Bangladesh--New Ambassador Mohammed Ziauddin Presented His Credential To A State Dept. Official--Not To The US President Barack Obama or Secretary of State John Kerry! Read following...
 
What a shame for Bangladesh!
Very recently, Bangladesh new Ambassador to the USA, Mr. Mohammed Ziauddin has presented his credential officially to the US government. Surprisingly, he could not present his credential to the US President Barack Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, or even to the Deputy Secretary of State! He presented his credential to Mr. Peter A. Selfritz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._Selfridge whose position is equivalent to an Assistant Secretary of the US Department of State and equivalent to a Deputy Minister of Bangladesh. http://www.news-bangla.com/index.php?option=com_contentHYPERLINK "http://www.news-bangla.com/index.php?
According to the diplomatic norms and Geneva Convention, every newly appointed Ambassador or High Commissioner presents credential to the President or Head of the State for which country he or she is appointed. Appointed by the President or Head of State, an Ambassador or High Commissioner represents his or her country and government to the other country. A person is treated as an Ambassador or High Commissioner after his or her presentation of credential officially.
All Ambassadors before Mohammed Ziauddin presented their credentials to the President of the United State America. Even last Ambassador to the USA, Mr.Akramul Quader presented his credential to the President Barack Obama after waiting for several months.
Question may arise, why current Bangladesh Ambassador Mohammed Ziauddin did not get a chance to present his credential to the US President Barack Obama? Presumably, Mr. Ziauddin could not do it to the President because of later's (Barack Obama) schedule conflict. Then question, why not to the Secretary of State John Kerry? Again, presumably, he could not do it for similar reason. Then question may arise seriously, why not to the Deputy Secretary of State which is equivalent to a State Minister of Bangladesh? Is it the same reason? Every minimum educated person would easily understand that because of the unfriendly relationship between United State and Bangladesh Mr. Ziauddin Ahmed was not given that privilege. Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina'sgovernment has done some grave mistakes/wrongs for which US government had to take this decision. Such treatment indicates that Bangladesh government has lost her credibilites to the USA.
Mr. Mohmmed Ziauddin's credential presentation to a State Department official has degraded the status of Bangladesh in the USA and to the world. What a shame for Bangladesh.
 
FC
 
মারৠকিন পররাষৠটৠর দপৠতরে রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিনের পরিচয়পতৠরের অনৠলিপি
নিউà¦Å"-বাংলা ডেসৠক
রবিবার, ১৭ আà¦â€"সৠট ২০১৪
মারৠকিন যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরে বাংলাদেশের নবনিযৠকৠত রাষৠটৠরদূত মোহামৠমদ à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিন আà¦Å" যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পররাষৠটৠর দপৠতরে আয়োà¦Å"িত ঠক অনৠষৠঠানে যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের রাষৠটৠরাচার পৠরধান রাষৠটৠরদূত পিটার ঠ. সেলফৠরিà¦Å"-ঠর নিকট তার পরিচয়পতৠরের অনৠলিপি পৠরদান করেন। পরিচয়পতৠর পৠরদানের ঠবিশেষ উপলকৠষে রাষৠটৠরদূত সেলফৠরিà¦Å" মারৠকিন যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরে বাংলাদেশের রাষৠটৠরদূত হিসেবে করৠমভার à¦â€"ৠরহণ করায় রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিন-কে অভিননৠদন à¦Å"ৠঞাপন করেন। তিনি রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিন-কে ‘‘চিফসৠৠঅব ডিপৠলোমেটিক মিশন লেপেল পিন" উপহার দেন।
রাষৠটৠরাচার পৠরধান আশা পৠরকাশ করেন, রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিনের করৠমকালে দৠ’দেশের মধৠযে বিদৠযমান বনৠধৠতৠবপূরৠণ সমৠপরৠক ঠকটি নতৠন উচৠচতায় উনৠনীত হবে। রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিন তার বকৠতবৠযে বলেন, বাংলাদেশ যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের দৠবিপাকৠষিক সমৠপরৠক অতৠযনৠত সৠদà§Æ'ৠভিতৠতির উপর পৠরতিষৠঠিত। তিনি যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠর সরকার, বিশেষ করে যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পররাষৠটৠর দপৠতরের করৠমকরৠতাà¦â€"ণকে দৠ’দেশের অংশীদারিতৠবমূলক সমৠপরৠক ঠà¦â€"িয়ে নেবার কৠষেতৠরে à¦â€"ৠরৠতৠবপূরৠণ ভূমিকা পালনের à¦Å"নৠয ধনৠযবাদ à¦Å"ৠঞাপন করেন। অনৠষৠঠানে যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পররাষৠটৠর দপৠতরের দকৠষিণ ও মধৠয ঠশিয়া বিষয়ক পৠরধান উপ-সহকারী পররাষৠটৠরমনৠতৠরী রাষৠটৠরদূত রিচারৠড ই হà¦â€"লৠযানৠড, উপসহকারী পররাষৠটৠরমনৠতৠরী অতৠল কেশাপ, সহকারী রাষৠটৠরাচার পৠরধান নিক সৠমিটসহ উরৠদৠধতন অনেক করৠমকরৠতা উপসৠথিত ছিলেন। বাংলাদেশ দূতাবাসের পকৠষে মিশন উপ-পৠরধান à¦Å"নাব মৠহমৠমদ আবৠদৠল মৠহিত রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিনের সাথে অনৠষৠঠানে অংশà¦â€"ৠরহণ করেন।পরিচয়পতৠরের অনৠলিপি পৠরদানের আনৠষৠঠানিকতা শেষে যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পররাষৠটৠর দপৠতরের রাষৠটৠরাচার ঠবং দকৠষিণ ও মধৠয ঠশিয়া বিষয়ক করৠমকরৠতাদের অংশà¦â€"ৠরহণে ঠকটি কফি রিসেপশন অনৠষৠঠিত হয়। যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পৠরেসিডেনৠট বারাক ওবামার নিকট রাষৠটৠরদূত à¦Å"িয়াউদৠদিনের আনৠষৠঠানিক পরিচয়পতৠর পৠরদান অনৠষৠঠানটি শীঘৠরই অনৠষৠঠিত হবে বলে আশা করা যাচৠছে। http://www.news-bangla.com/index.php?option=com_contentHYPERLINK "http://www.news-bangla.com/index.php?


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On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:33 AM, Nuran Nabi <nurannabi@gmail.com> wrote:


Usually they reply simultaneously in a minute like bees. 2 hours passed by, no response yet. Where are they? 

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
This shows that ambassador Ziauddin was not snubbed by Obama at all as our hyper patriots tried to insinuate just few weeks ago. Wrong again!
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