The problem with Mr. Alamgir is that he is not a secular person at all when it comes to the minorities of Bangladesh. If you read some of his past comments, you would not even reply to this smelly person. His mentality is very clear. Muslims do not need to be secular in their own turfs but he wants other infidel countries to be more secular and gentle to the Muslim causes. He loves secular US but would hate a secular Bangladesh. Do you recognize the syndrome?
Please go ahead with your secular conference and make things better for your community than listening these communal individuals. Thank you. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Salim Rashid <srashid17@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me repeat the substance of what I said before about India, based on 4 months teaching in Gujarat. I write from Chicago, so some recollections may be inexact in detail.I know NOTHING about this particular conference so I am making general remarks1 If there is proof of Modi's guilt, let it be produced. Otherwise, we should try to treat people as innocent unless proven otherwise; if this is too problematic, then we should certainly avoid acting as though we have proof of guilt.2 Focusing on Modi is pointless and misleading. Those who could read Gujarati told me that the vernacular press used language about Muslims that cannot be repeated. This is the real tide that has to be addressed. It is what allows a court in Nagpur to claim that ,for tax purposes, 'Hinduism is not a religion'.One should read Nandita Huskar3 The ordinary Indians, meaning the one or two hundred we met and talked to, are nice ordinary people. But their reaction to the word 'Pakistani' is horror and to 'Bangladeshi' contempt. This is the real attitude that needs to be probed and addressed. It is at the root of Bangladesh's inability to get land and water rights clarified and inability to export to India.4 The Muslims are marginalised and depressed. No doubt whatsoever. But the problem is greatly aggravated by their own ignorance of their capabilities and lack of coordination5 After the riots in Gujarat, two very important observations came to mind. First, that riots occurred ONLY in Gujarat, and not in any other part of the sub-continent that is India: secondly, that the most vigorous criticisms of the riots came from within India.If we refuse that which is positive on principle, who is to blame?Khuda hafizSalimOn Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:--Muslims should ignore this so-called face saving conference to show the the world that they are SECU.....??????This conference in the name of " SECULARISM" and that too in Hidustan which is tainted with over thousand communal riots causing hundreds of the thousands people killed many more injured n displaced n women raped and the fetus removed brutally by the majority hindus all over. The victims of such brutal acts are mainly the "MUSLIMS". The BJP/BHP/RSS/SHIB SENA/BAAJ RANG etc etc communal parties are threatening the Muslims day and night to pack up and leave else turn Hindu. They have ultimate dream to make hidustan only for Hindus.I wonder waht the so-called conference will deal with since the present PM is personally is killer of Muslims when being CM of Gujrat and indicted by authorities for the killing. But surprising that the magnanimity of Hidustan's great Democracy( democrazy) the murderer is in seat of power in Hindustan.--On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Shah Abdul Hannan shah_abdul_hannan@yahoo.com [dahuk] <dahuk@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Invitation of Secular Conferene in Patna
Dear all, Assalamu Alaikum.There is confusion about secularism among many Muslims in India.In Indian context, by secularism many of them mean continuance of democracy ,human rights and religious rights of minorities. This is misconception. Secularism means seperation of state and government and education from religion which leads to immorality in individual and state behavior.In my view the Muslims in India should not support secularism, instead work for full democracy and fundamental rights there which will safeguard their rights. Harping on secularism is unnecessary..Shah Abdul Hannan
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:19:13 +0300
Subject: Re: Specimen copy of Invitation of Secular Conferene in Patna
From: zakatfoundation7@gmail.com
To: zakatfoundation7@gmail.comDear Brother/Sister,I am herewith enclosed a Draft Programme to be held in Patna on 26 October 2014 , for your perusual and return it at your earlist.APA RAHMANVIJAYAWADA 09618953802 Mail: abutaharahman@yahoo.com
PATNA26 Oct- 2014AgendaConference on Secularism-Democracy and Civil Rights
26-Oct- 2014
ANJUMAN ISLAMIA HALL, PATNA,BIHAR
BACKGROUND
The rise of the Communal and Facist elements, including but not limited to Hindutva, and their efforts to gain political power and control the state apparatus and public institutions has meant that organised religions‟ role vis-a-vis the state as well as secularism and the complete separation of religion from the state have become critical political and civil rights matters. At this unprecedented conference, prominent women and men on the frontlines of defending secularism, including those of faith and none, will come together to discuss the religious-Right, its attacks on civil rights and freedoms, and the role of secularism for 21st century humanity. Speakers from Indian States of : J&K,Haryana,Delhi,Rajasthan,Gujrat,Panjab,MP,UP,Bihar,WB, Assam,Orrisa,Jarkhand, AP,Telangana,Kerala,TN, Goa, Karnataka, Maharastra and Lakshadeep
Reflections on the struggle for secularism in both regional and thematic ways and discussions on specific forms that attack on secularism – and on secularists themselves – taken from various parts of the INDIA. Discussions on how these attacks are linked to the rise of Communal forces in INDIA. The conference aims to highlight the voices of the many persecuted, address the challenges faced by activists, elaborate on the links between equality, democratic politics and secularism, promote secular and rights-based alternatives to the Communal forces, establish priorities for regional and states collective action and influence policy and practice locally, nationally.
The conference will result in the establishment of a National Political Alliance of secularists against the Communal and Fascist forces.TENTATIVE SCHEDULE (Subject to Change)
The Conference will be in Urdu
Sunday 26 October 2014
8:00-9:30am Registration
Arrival Tea/Coffee
9:30-9:40 Welcome - Ashiq Bhagalpuri,Bihar
9:40-9:50 Opening Address-Riyaz Atish,Bihar
Riyaz Ahmed Atish will give an overview of the conference aims, the political necessity for such a conference during the rise of the Communal forces and the need for secularism as a minimum precondition.
9:50-10:05 Riyaz Azimabadi,Patna: Attacks on Secularism
Riyaz Azimabadi will look at the shifting meaning of "secularism‟; the political consequences of this shift and how it enhances and legitimises both the rise of fundamentalist theocratic ideologies and the fragmentation of people into "communities‟ with unequal rights.
10:30-12:00 Secularism Panel
This panel will discuss the definition of secularism and whether secularism is a minimum precondition for a democratic society.
Chair: M.Omer Khan,Kolkata
Panellists:
Abdul Rasheed Agwan,New Delhi ("Secularism against Fanaticism"), KHALID SABIR,Allahbad (UP) ("The Need for a National Secular Movement"), Riyaz Azimabadi,Editor,Secular Mahaz,Patna(Bihar)
("Rise and Fall of Secularism"),
Inayatullah S.J and Abdul Rahim Patel ("The Isolation and Alienation Caused by Clergy and Why Secularism is Important")
12:00-13:00 Lunch
13:00-13:30 Yousufuddin Khan,Editor,METROAGE DAILY,Hyderabad " Lakum Deenakum Waliyadeen"
13:30-15:00 Religion in Law and Politics Panel
This panel will look at religion's role in the law and politics and discuss whether organised religions must be kept out the state.
Chair: A.H.Lakhani,Gujrat
Panelists:Shafee Ahmed ,Islamic Scholar,VIJAYAWADA(AP) ("Production and
Reproduction of the Myth of the Moderate Religion"),
Moulana Abdul Aleem Islahi,Islamic Scholar,Hyderabad .........................................................................................................("Religion and Politics in Secular States"),
Ameen Peeran,Adocate,Cuddapah(AP) ("New World Orders: Promoting Customary and Religious Law"),
Khalid Sabir,Sr.Journalist,Allahabad(UP) ("Political situation in India"), and
15:00-15:30
C.R.Imtiaz, Banglore "Secularism and Education"
15:30-16:00 Break
16:00-17:30 Multi-faithism, Multiculturalism and citizenship Panel
The panel will look at problems related to the erroneous conflation of people, religions and the religious- Right and whether multiculturalism and multi-faithism undermines notions of citizenship.
Chair: Mohammed Shoaib, Advocate, LUCKNOW
Panellists:
Dr.Azam Baig, Kota (Rajasthan) ("My Experience at an Islamic School in India"),
Abdul Mateen,New Delhi (" The Communalist and its Enablers in Higher Education").
Shafee Ahmed,Vijayawada ("Islamic Law in the India: The Essentialists"),
Habeebur Rahman,Vijayawada(Andhra)
("Meaning of Religious Freedom"), and
Moulvi R.Abdul Khader, Pondichery ("Communities, Conflicting Rights and Hierarchy of Rights in Secular States")
17:30-18:00 A.P.Abdul Rahman,VIJAYAWADA ,
"Has the Secular State ever been a historical reality?"
Regional Sessions
19:30-23:00 Dinner with Entertainment
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