The difference is that people won't be loosing their heads for their comments as opposed to your ideal heavenly countries. That is why many creeps love this country of free and braves even though they are not fit the honor. Thank you.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Mumtaz <mumtazjahmed@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr.anisur Rahman,s Cardinal error quote "without fear whatever he wants to say" .no in any society even here in the west you cannot say "whatever". Let him say whatever n see where he lands in USA,UK,CANADA.
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:54:25 -0400
Subject: {PFC-Friends} The Minister's remarks on Haj
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Calling for imprisonment, hanging and invoking non-existent blasphemy laws over a person's opinions are way over the top. I do hope BD does not have the kind of blasphemy laws that exist in Pakistan.That being said, in a democracy it is also fair to ask for the Minister's resignation when people disagree with his policies or if he makes racist or sexist remarks. That happens in the West too. As such politicians need to be a little more circumspect about the remarks they make in public. In my opinion he was committing political suicide by questioning Haj at a time when there is enough opposition to secularism already in BD. Therefore the PM would be justified in accepting his resignation.I would have preferred to hear him say that people should not be going into debt to perform Haj or that we should not be going for Haj until the Kaaba is liberated from Wahabis or until Saudi Arabia treats Bangladeshis with respect or until women are just as free to perform Haj without an escort as men - but that is my personal bias :). Given the human rights abuses of Bangladeshis in Saudi Arabia, the Minister would have been perfectly justified in asking whether Bangladeshis should be performing Haj under the Saudi government which does not respect their human rights. Freeing holy places from oppressive regimes is part of jihad too. The problem is that the Minister made public remarks suggesting Haj is a waste of time and money - that is unacceptable and offensive to practicing Muslims.Perhaps others may correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that Muslims believe the Kaaba was built by Abraham. However, over the years it was being used by the Quraish to worship idols. The Prophet removed these idols after the fall of Makkah. Haj therefore is a Muslim tradition as it is practiced today. You are absolutely correct that it has economic implications and is a major source of revenue for the Saudi government after oil.Just my two cents.On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:Dear Ahrar,Despite the fact that the string of emails shown below is private between you and Mr Serajul Islam, but because they are being exchanged in the public forum through mukto-mona (where I write regularly as a blogger), I am taking the liberty to comment on this issue.First of all, I must say that I am appalled and ashamed, like any one else, by the deceitful fabrication of facts by the Prime Minister's Office (PMO). The Dhaka Tribune's report that Ban Ki-moon showered praises on Hasina is a total fabrication. There was not a single official statement from the UN Secretary General Office where he had even mentioned the name 'Sheikh Hasina', let alone showering any praise for her. (If there was any praise that Hasina recollects, it must have been her private meeting with the UN Secretary General and the UN Secretary General is reluctant or ashamed to disclose).If you search the UN website, you will find that over the whole of 2014 until now (from January 1 to 30 September 2014) the UN Secretary General only issued one speech related to Bangladesh - 40th anniversary of Bangladesh's membership of the UN. The link is given below for anybody to peruse. In that speech, Ban Ki-moon had not mentioned, not even once, the name 'Sheikh Hasina'. So how could he have praised her?We want Bangladesh to be praised, to be shown as a shining example. But claiming praise, when there was none, is disgraceful and shameful.I also agree with you that this attitude of exaggeration of importance is our national character. I remember after last year's UN General Assembly meeting when Hasina returned to Bangladesh, the government newspapers flashed: "Hasina's triumphant return to the country". It was, as if, Hasina went to New York, fought a vicious battle with world leaders, had them all flatted and now returning triumphantly to the country! This is all, as you said, from implicit feeling of inferiority and low estimation and wants to show to the general public her inflated status and standing at the world scene.However, I can't accept that this attitude has anything to do with the legitimacy of the last election. Last year around this time, she returned "triumphantly" from New York and her previous election was entirely legitimate. Even I would say that the last election was not all that illegitimate. The other party (BNP) did not come to the election and behaved most undemocratic and thuggish way - burning national assets, killing people, destroying national economy etc. Whoever won the election, despite all these things, has the right to run the country for the full term.By the way, I published today the write-up on "What happened to 'freedom of speech?'" in bdnews24.com. I am not supporting ALS nor am I condoning his viewpoint, but I am defending his right to say, without fear or favour, whatever he wants to say. That is his democratic right. The link is:- Anis bhai
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AhrarI did not discuss the moral ambiguities but that does not mean I am not concerned about it as much as you are. I agree with what you called political tradition having worked with the government of Bangladesh in terms of exaggerations of such issues to make the powers that be happy. But I must underline that no past government has distorted outcome of meetings at the highest levels and have been rebutted the way it has happened with the President's meeting with the US Secretary-General, and the Prime Minister's meetings with the British Prime Minister and the UN Secretary General. In fact, i would like to stand corrected but as far as my information goes, no government anywhere has been contradicted and embarrassed the way our government has been in the past couple of months for distorting its version of a highest level meetings.This is why I was trying to figure why would our side give out such distorted statements where simple common sense should have told them that the statements would be contradicted. This is also why i concluded tentatively as I cannot prove it that those working by the Prime Minister's side are worried about the pressure on the government on the issue of legitimacy and made these statements to make the Prime Minister happy. Still, i am flabbergasted how they could think that they could both make the Prime Minster and hope at the same time, the hosts would not see the blatant distortions.This is not simple sycophancy which is of course the main reason for the distortions but stupidity at its worst.This I would like to differ with you Ahrar that this is not part of our political tradition that you have suggested. When we worked in government, we faced even greater pressure from the military dictator HM Ershad. But we never thought that we could make distorted statements of his meetings with foreign leaders to make him happy. You know too well how he craved for recognition from foreign leaders and governments for domestic reasons because he too suffered from the issue of legitimacy for his government. Nevertheless, we never even thought this was possible. We were not stupid or insane although under greater pressure from HM Ershad to please him that those serving the present Prime Minister are not, although under pressure they are.Best wishes.Shabuj BhaiOn Oct 5, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Ahmad, Ahrar <Ahrar.Ahmad@bhsu.edu> wrote:Sabuj bhai:I am as appalled, and perhaps as embarrassed, as you are regarding the routine exaggerations and distortions emanating from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO). But this tendency to make it appear that we are more important than we are, and to make something which is not, is firmly embedded in our habits of thought and behavior. On top of this is the shameful tendency that we demonstrate in trying to prove our closeness to FOREIGN personalities. It reflects our deep-rooted inferiority complex and our frantic need to seek external validation.You seem to be arguing that this practice is being driven by the desperation to seek legitimacy at home, and an acknowledgement of the anxieties surrounding the Jan 5 electoral fiasco. I tend to think that this is not unusual, and AL would have done exactly the same if the elections had been less controversial. In other words, you are reading political weakness into this behavior, I am concerned about the moral ambiguities that define our political tradition.I share your outrage, but not your conclusion.AhrarFrom: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com [mailto:pfc-friends@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohammad Serajul Islam
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} How Photo Session became very important meeting between UN Secy. Gen. and Sheikh Hasina, Please read the articleOne has to ponder why would this government be indulging in this game of distortion meetings of the Prime Minister and President with world leaders. First, the meeting of the President with the US Secretary General was distorted. The UN Secretary General's office then issued a statement nailing the lie that humiliated the President and the country. UN Secretary General's office never in the past did anything like this. Then the Foreign Minister distorted the meeting of the Prime Minister with David Cameron that a statement from No 10 Downing Street nailed as another lie. Now this distortion of the photo session between the US Secretary General and the Prime Minister that has again been nailed by the SG's office. Thus a pattern is emerging of lies and distortions by those at the highest level of this government of meetings of the Prime Minister/President with foreign dignitaries. This is extremely humiliating for every citizen of the country, irrespective of party affiliations because it demeans Bangladesh. This also underlines that its show on impunity notwithstanding, the government is nervous and shaking inside on the issues of the January 5 elections and its legitimacy. It is desperately seeking legitimacy.On Oct 5, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:হাসিনা-মুন বৈঠক ছিল ফটোসেশন মাত্র!
ডেস্ক রিপোর্ট
জাতিসংঘ মহাসচিব বান কি-মুনের সঙ্গে প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনার বৈঠক ছিল ফটোসেশন মাত্র।রেকর্ডভুক্ত কিছু নয়। এ নিয়ে দেশের দৈনিক মানবজমিন-এ প্রকাশিত রিপোর্ট ঘিরে এমন তথ্যই উঠেএসেছে।
জাতিসংঘ সাধারণ পরিষদের (ইউএনজিএ) ৬৯তম অধিবেশনের সাইডলাইনে জাতিসংঘ মহাসচিবের সঙ্গেপ্রধানমন্ত্রীর বৈঠক নিয়ে ফলাও প্রচার চালায় সরকার। জাতিসংঘ মহাসচিব বৈঠকে প্রধানমন্ত্রীর ভূয়সীপ্রশংসা করেন এবং সমর্থন দিয়ে যাওয়া কথা জানান বলেও দাবি করে সরকার।
কিন্তু এটা কোনো শিউডিউল বৈঠক ছিল না বলে রিপোর্ট প্রকাশ করে মানবজমিন। আর তাত্ক্ষণিক এরপ্রতিবাদ জানিয়েছে নিউইয়র্কস্থ বাংলাদেশের স্থায়ী মিশন। মিশনের পক্ষ থেকে বলা হয়, রিপোর্টটি মিথ্যা,বিভ্রান্তিকর ও উদ্দেশ্যপ্রণোদিত।
মানবজমিন দাবি করে, কাউসার মুমিনের রিপোর্টটি ছিল তথ্যনির্ভর। জাতিসংঘের কর্মকর্তাদের বরাত দিয়েএই রিপোর্টটি তৈরি করা হয়।
জাতিসংঘের ডেপুটি মুখপাত্র ফারহান হক এক ই-মেইল বার্তায় জানান, হ্যায় মি. কাউসার, এটা ছিলফটোসেশন মাত্র। রেকর্ডভুক্ত কিছু না।
কাউসার মুমিন জানতে চেয়েছিলেন, মহাসচিবের সঙ্গে বৈঠকে কি আলোচনা হয়েছে। এর বিস্তারিতপাওয়া যাবে কিনা? এর জবাবেই ফারহান হক এই তথ্য দেন।
এখানেই শেষ নয়, জাতিসংঘের স্ট্র্যাটেজিক কমিউনিকেশনস অ্যান্ড পাবলিক অ্যাফেয়ার্স বিষয়ক সিনিয়রঅফিসার হোজে ল্যুইজ ডিয়াজ অপর এক ই-মেইল বার্তায় এটা নিশ্চিত করেন যে, মহাসচিবের সঙ্গেসাক্ষািট ছিল আলোকচিত্র তোলার সুযোগ সংবলিত একটি সাক্ষাত্। সেখানে কোনো বিবৃতি পাঠ করাহয়নি।
শুক্রবার জাতিসংঘ সফর নিয়ে সংবাদ সম্মেলনে এক প্রশ্নের জবাবে শেখ হাসিনা বলেন, 'বিরোধী রাজনৈতিক দলগুলোর সঙ্গে আলোচনার কথা জাতিসংঘ মহাসচিব এবার বলেননি। সম্ভবত তিনি কোনোসমস্যা দেখছেন না। আগে তো আমরা আগ বাড়িয়ে শুনেছি, এবার তেমন হয়নি।'
প্রসঙ্গত, এর আগে জাতিসংঘ মহাসচিবের সঙ্গে রাষ্ট্রপতি আবদুল হামিদের বৈঠক নিয়েও সরকারের বিরুদ্ধে তথ্য বিকৃতির অভিযোগ উঠে।
এছাড়া প্রধানমন্ত্রীর সঙ্গে যুক্তরাজ্যের প্রধানমন্ত্রী ডেভিড ক্যামেরনের বৈঠকের আলোচ্য বিষয় নিয়েও একই কেলেঙ্কারির জন্ম দিয়েছিল সরকার।
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