Question (SH): 1) Would you agree Modi was involved (may be indirectly) in killing of thousands of innocent Muslims?
Answer (SB): No, I would not agree. In fact, in spite of a lot of powerful people (including the Congress government) being against Mr. Modi, there was no court case against him. More to his credit and respectability, Mr. Modi ordered the police to shoot and kill anyone engaged in the riots; and the police bullets killed about 80 Hindus. Have you heard of any Muslim criminal killed by police in Bangladesh or Pakistan while they were committing one-sided barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims?
Question (SH): 2) Would you agree Dalits didn't want to migrate out of East and West Pakistan to avoid subjugation by the higher class Hindu?
Answer (SB): Let me try to be nice and not use any adjective on you. But why are you implying that the so-called Dalits were supposed to leave their homeland of centuries? To answer your question, they did not want to migrate out of their home because they had the normal human mind of loving the home where they and their ancestors grew up and got used to (you can call that love for the soil, water, air, light, etc.).
Question (SH): 3) Would you agree powerful and upper class Hindus silenced Dailt (Ambedkar) movement?
Answer (SB): There is no question that the so-called upper class oppressed the so-called lower class. But what movement are you talking about? B. R. Ambedkar remains an icon in India. The caste system is surely on the way out, albeit more slowly than anything to be too proud of. You need to know that Dr. Ambedkar was a scholar; not an idiot like Jogen Mondal, who trusted his hateful Muslim brothers and got himself and his people booted by those brothers. Dr. Ambedkar converted to Buddhism; Islam was not his quality material. (Please do me a favor; do not call my objective observation hatred.)
Question (SH): 4) Would you agree rights of the Palestinian people have had shattered for decades and that is a pressure point for all Muslims?
Answer (SB): There is no doubt that injustice has been going on against the Palestinians. But that is not the reason for most of the barbaric behavior of Muslims around the world. Let me just give you one example. A Buddhist young man is accused of disrespecting the Quran on Facebook, and 50 Buddhist homes and 12 Buddhists temples get burned down my Muslim mobs. Obviously, those people, homes and temples were not even accused. Now, tell me how Palestine had anything to do with this barbaric behavior?
Well, Mr. Haque, at least one of your questions was not worth my time at all. But I was nice for now. Please do not expect me to answer your questions all the time, even when they are good; as I cannot spend too much time doing this.
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:06 PM, Syed Haque <syedhaque@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Bain,
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:44:17 +0000
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Thanks for your response.
You mentioned:
"You talk about poverty and economic deprivation. What religious group do you think has the highest number of millionaire barbarians in the world? For one example, were the 9/11 suicide bombers poor Muslims? Were they the kind of people that treated the poor African/Bangladeshi Muslims as their brothers/sisters? You can find many other examples, including in our subcontinent, where hate-mongers are not poor people."
If you look at the extremists, who are engaged in religious violence on the ground, most of them are not not the sons and daughters of kings and queens. They are the underdogs of the society. Look at Taliban, most of them cannot even afford to have more than one meal a day. Who created them?
Those 9/11 killers came from the countries where dictatorial form of brutal government was imposed by the imperialist powers for decades - no representation, no rights. Here are a few questions I would like to pose:
1) Would you agree Modi was involved (may be indirectly) in killing of thousands of innocent Muslims? He was a poor Dailt but could had been persuaded by the powerful and wealthy Hindu extremists.
2) Would you agree Dalits didn't want to migrate out of East and West Pakistan to avoid subjugation by the higher class Hindus?
3) Would you agree powerful and upper class Hindus silenced Dailt (Ambedkar) movement?
4) Would you agree rights of the Palestinian people have had shattered for decades and that is a pressure point for all Muslims?
The world is very complex, and we can go round and round about who should do what. This wouldn't take us anywhere unless we try to contemplate both end of the spectrum.
Yes, I agree we need to give the right momentum to our young generation so they are able to abandon violence and mustn't take this approach as a resort to make their voice heard.
That's all for now.
Best Regards,
SH
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So, Mr. Haque, what you are saying is that nobody blames Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism for the atrocities committed by people that are Christians, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists, respectively; but that people blame Islam for crimes committed by Muslims. I believe you are mostly correct with your observation. But what do you make out of that? When all the other groups blame Islam, you would be wrong to assume that they all are enemies of Islam; you need to look at Islam objectively to see why people blame Islam. I am sure, if you were objective, you would not have any problem seeing that Islam does promote injustice, raw hatred and barbaric behavior. In fact most other religions also have injustice and foolish/hateful edicts in them. But the difference between most of the Muslims and most of the non-Muslims is that the Muslims want to follow Islam in its entirety, and the non-Muslims are quite good at dumping a lot of the garbage of their religions.
It might sound harsh to you, but as a Muslim, you are in reality no one to look down upon any other kind of religious group.
You talk about poverty and economic deprivation. What religious group do you think has the highest number of millionaire barbarians in the world? For one example, were the 9/11 suicide bombers poor Muslims? Were they the kind of people that treated the poor African/Bangladeshi Muslims as their brothers/sisters? You can find many other examples, including in our subcontinent, where hate-mongers are not poor people.
Look, for example, Narendra Modi was from a Dalit community and a very poor family. He did not become one of the most powerful leaders of the world through hating the so-called high-caste Hindus, or through a country for his own kind. There are numerous examples in the world where good and honest hard work and dedication improved life tremendously. In the long-run hatred does not help anyone or any community, including the hate-mongers and their communities.
Wishing everyone good sense,
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Sunday, June 28, 2015 4:13 AM, Syed Haque <syedhaque@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Bain you raised a good point, and I wouldn't look down on someone just because he/she is not a Muslim and that's not what Islam teaches.
Perhaps we need to look at the root cause of the violence in the name of religion. Honestly speaking, economic, social and political deprivation can beget crime. Dictators and hegemonic powers make those criminals as their scapegoats.
Group like ISIS which commit heinous crime in the name of Islam does not fit within the definition of the follower of Islam.
There are so many peace-loving Muslims in the world. In fact, Islam does not promote violence whatsoever, but ask you to fight back just to establish justice but never allows transgression whatsoever. It also asks to learn to forgive if this stops tribulation, turmoil and bloodbath.
Please be advised that thousands of innocent Jews were killed by Christian Hitler, but nobody blamed Christianity, hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese were killed by Christians but nobody blamed Christianity, thousands of innocent Sikhs, Muslims and Christians were killed by Hindus but nobody blamed Hinduism, thousands of innocent Rohingyas were killed by Buddhist Monks, but nobody blamed Buddhism, then why Islam.
You can level me "deceptive" or "ignorant" or whatever you like; still, I can't make you believe Islam does not promote hatred and you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect your opinion.
Best Regards,
SH
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Perhaps we need to look at the root cause of the violence in the name of religion. Honestly speaking, economic, social and political deprivation can beget crime. Dictators and hegemonic powers make those criminals as their scapegoats.
Group like ISIS which commit heinous crime in the name of Islam does not fit within the definition of the follower of Islam.
There are so many peace-loving Muslims in the world. In fact, Islam does not promote violence whatsoever, but ask you to fight back just to establish justice but never allows transgression whatsoever. It also asks to learn to forgive if this stops tribulation, turmoil and bloodbath.
Please be advised that thousands of innocent Jews were killed by Christian Hitler, but nobody blamed Christianity, hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese were killed by Christians but nobody blamed Christianity, thousands of innocent Sikhs, Muslims and Christians were killed by Hindus but nobody blamed Hinduism, thousands of innocent Rohingyas were killed by Buddhist Monks, but nobody blamed Buddhism, then why Islam.
You can level me "deceptive" or "ignorant" or whatever you like; still, I can't make you believe Islam does not promote hatred and you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect your opinion.
Best Regards,
SH
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On Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:19 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
So, Mr. Haque, "Hindu extremists", "Christian extremists" and Buddhist extremists"; but "so called Muslim extremists"; really?? You can be ignorant or deceptive; but the reality is that the world knows that when it comes to extremism, Muslims are the champion.
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Your four points have nothing to do with any of the religion being good or bad. However, when it comes to the fundamentals, Buddhism is the best religion. The other three have varying degrees of injustice and hatred in them. Of course, that does not mean that a Buddhist would be always better than a Muslim/Hindu/Christian (as people do not exactly follow their religion).
SuBain
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:07 PM, Syed Haque <syedhaque@hotmail.com> wrote:
Humanity & Religion
1) Do Hindu extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do.
2) Do Christian extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do.
3) Do Buddhists extremists humiliate, kill and rape people of other faiths? Yes they do
4) Do so called Muslim extremists humiliate and kill people of other faiths? Yes they do.
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Does this mean all religions are bad or just Islam is bad?
Muslims have been maltreated and slaughtered since the time of the Prophet (SAW/PBUH).
1) Don't forget the bloodbath in 1947 where thousands of people suffered profound losses.
2) Don't forget the bloodbath in Bosnia where thousands of Muslims suffered profound losses.
3) Don't forget the bloodbath during crusade
4) Don't forget the bloodbath in Iraq
5) Don't forget the bloodbath in Afghanistan
Yet again, "….there is no place for extremism and terrorism in Islam as it teaches peace and harmony."
"…..those involved in terrorist activities are not Muslims and they are only misleading the young generation by killing people in the name of Jihad."
"British Army Brigadier Paul Carkner told that he has also gone through the major clauses of Islam religion and declared that the teachings of Prophet (SAW/PBUH) are for the betterment of humanity."
Peace!
Regards,
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