Dear community members,
Please see what is the dumb proposition: "Did Islam exist before our human civilization began? What a dumb proposition!"
Our/my proposition is Islam and civilization started right from the first couples of humans, Adam and Eve (AS); there were ups and downs of civilizations and belief-systems on different times.
Dear community members, meanness of some people are bottomless: "Without him [Gaffar Chowdhury] many Abedins would be still be
working for Pakistani masters because Pakistan is located closer to holy Kabba.. " My comments: Gaffar Chowdhury is a popular person, no doubt. But looks like Gaffar Chowdhury's contribution is more than Sheikh Mujib!
Repetition: My father was known to our community as Chowdhury (bhai, chacha etc.), lived in Calcutta from before 1947. Even if I do not have such and such background, what's wrong with that! What's a void view of the so-called progressive for the down-trodden!
I am a son of an Awami Leaguer, and a brother of a wounded Freedom Fighter. (No bragging!) My Allah has bestowed me with chances of seeing some other parts of the world, get along with people, especially with a little bit opportunities of studies in three continents.
No doubt, every believer has love for Kaaba, the House of God/Allah established by prophet Ibrahim (Abraham/ AS), grand-grand.... father of all believers, including Muhammad (SM).
Islam is not a science, but based on super-science, to which all sciences submerge.
Khoda Hafez,
Zainul Abedin
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On Sat, 7/11/15, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury's New York Speech
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Date: Saturday, July 11, 2015, 8:50 AM
Yeah, more
studies of Islam would make it more understandable as if it
was built on the basis of science and scientific arguments.
What Mr. Bash brings forward here.. have more logic and
substances than you will ever bring with your poor knowledge
of Islamic history and its historical analysis. What part of
Islam needs to be studied more when most of it basically
copied, pasted and grabbed? How did your forefathers
become Muslims when they did not know a single word of
Arabic language? Even to this day, nobody understands Islam
except people like Al-Bagda-di? Bringing Adam and Eve in
this equation is rather idiotic because Islam was created in
the 7th century and Adam and Eve were not born in the same
century. Or, did they? Did Islam exist before our human
civilization began? What a dumb proposition!
Gaffar Choudhury is simply a brilliant man with true
knowledge. He is not the last one to stir pot, which has
huge problems. Without him many Abedins would be still be
working for Pakistani masters because Pakistan is located
closer to holy Kabba..
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015
at 3:15 AM, zainul abedin <zainul321@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Mr.
Bamboo or Borakh Bash
You know the term "bash" in English mainly means
assault, what bamboo does!
I should not repeat the same thing again and again. There
are some problems in basic understanding of Islam. Islam is
a culmination of all stages of one religion into a name.
If you want to refer to Islam please study about it
properly. I/we always say: Islam is not a new religion.
I will just refer to the first sentence of your posted
article: "Long before Islam came in to existence,
Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage
site." The message of this part "Kaaba, ....
was a pilgrimage site" has no problem. Problem is
with this part: "Long before Islam came in to
existence." Islam came into existence right from Baba
Adam (AS). Please read the following messages, such as The
Core of Islam, you will get some (not full) understanding.
I do not blame you nor others for saying: "Long before
Islam came in to existence, ......" Our history books
have been written in this wrong way and we have learned
wrong things, in many cases!
More readings will give us proper understanding of
overlapping and/or similarities of different religious
issues of different times followed in successions. In the
succession process, people of all times have to obey the
(new) Orders of God/Allah, and concurrent Prophet(s), among
whom Muhammad (SM) is the last one. Following
God's/Allah's Orders not fully, but partially or not
at all made many people "disbelievers" at all
times.
Best wishes,
Zainul Abedin
The Core of Islam
The main message of Islam is the same basic message in all
revealed religions, as they are all are from the same
source, and the reasons for disparity found between
religions.
By M. Abdulsalam (© 2006 IslamReligion.com)
The Inclusiveness of Islam: The Finality of Prophethood
By Jamaal al-Din Zarabozo (© 2007 IslamReligion.com)
What is meant here by "the inclusiveness of Islam" is
that fact that Islam is for all times and places. ….
The Prophet Muhammad himself said:
"I have been sent to all of the creation and the prophets
have been sealed by me." (Saheeh Muslim)
Again, he said:
"The Children of Israel were led by the prophets; whenever
a prophet died, a prophet succeeded (him). Lo! There
will be no prophet after me" (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh
Muslim)
Thus, there finally came the Prophet who explicitly declared
that he is the final prophet. The Prophets who came before
the Prophet—as far as can be seen from what is narrated
from them—did not make such a claim regarding
themselves. Thus, for example, in Deuteronomy 18:17-19,
God is telling Moses that He is going to send another
messenger "like unto him" in the future. In the New
Testament, in John 14:15-16, Jesus speaks of "another
Comforter" being sent by God. (Also in John 16:7-8 and
John 16:12-13 Jesus speaks of someone coming in the
future.) On the other hand, the Prophet Muhammad made it
very clear that no prophet would come after him.
God has also said:
"…This day, I have perfected your religion for you,
completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam
as your religion…" (Quran 5:3)
Thus, the religion is completed and perfected and there is
no need for any alteration or change. The message has come
and shall suffice until the Day of Judgment. The Prophet
sent for all peoples has already come.
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Date: Friday, July 10, 2015, 10:28 PM
Long before Islam
came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia
was
a pilgrimage site. The word Kaaba might have come from
the
Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil
Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva's temple
and
Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba
is
held sacred and holy in Islam and is called "Hajre
Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or
Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called
Sanghey
Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what
Hindus
worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of
the
Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal
of
Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim
pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven
times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation
prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate or
Pradakshina,
around their deities. This is yet another proof that
the
Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus
always practice circumambulation or Pradakshina. Just
as
in Hinduism, the custom of circumambulation by muslim
pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building seven times
shows that the claim that in Islam they don't worship
stones is not true.
Allah was one of the
deities in Kaaba long before Islam was founded. It
might
come as a stunning revelation to many that the word
'ALLAH' itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit
language
Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a
goddess
or mother. The term 'ALLAH' forms part of
Sanskrit
chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani,
Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God
is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient
Sanskrit
appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah
means
mother or goddess and mother goddess.
The King
Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung
inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt
that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian
Empire. (Ref: page 315 of a volume known as
'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the
Makhtab-e-Sultania
library in Istanbul, Turkey). King Vikrama's
preachers
had succeeded in spreading the Vedic Hindu sacred
scriptures in Arabia and Arabs were once followers of
the
Indian Vedic way of life. The annual fair known as OKAJ
which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple
in
Mecca and the present annual hajj of the Muslims to the
Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation. . Even to
this day ancient Siva emblems can be seen. It is the
Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently
touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
Muslims shave their
head and beard and don special sacred attire that
consists
of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn
round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both
these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of
entering Hindu temples clean and with holy seamless
white
sheets. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the
Kaaba has 360 idols. Traditional accounts mention that
one
of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was
stormed was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and
yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in
the
Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in
pre-Islamic
days. In India the practice of 'Navagraha'
puja,
that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue.
Two
of these nine are Saturn and Moon. In India the
crescent
moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva
symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva
emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of
Islam.
The Hindu Vedic
letter in Sanskrit "OM" if seen in a mirror one
can see the Arabic numbers 786 and this is the most
sacred
number for Muslims and copies of the Arabic Koran have
the
mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them. In their
ignorance simply they do not realize that this special
number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols
misread and none of the Arabic scholar has been able to
determine how they chose 786 as the sacred for them. In
short muslims are also going around Siva Lingam at
Kaaba,
seven times as Hindus go around it seven times.
A
few miles away from Mecca are a big signboard which bars
the
entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a
reminder
of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured
solely
for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in
barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent
its
recapture. Kaaba is clothed in a black shroud. This
custom
also originated from the days when it was thought
necessary
to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
Another Hindu
tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the
sacred
stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river).
According
to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from
the
Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a
Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that
association
a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held
sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as
Ganga
since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
2015-07-10 17:53 GMT-04:00
'zainul abedin' via Bangladeshi-Americans Living
in
New England <bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com>:
Assalamu
Alaikum, brother Shaheen,
A well-researched article. Thank you so much for this
useful
article (May Allah give you Barakat).
I already made a few comments. Here is a little bit about
Gachow's (I used this term before) intellectual
bankruptcy/dishonesty (though he is a very well-known
personality) about the word "Rasul." Rasul can
convey different meanings/messages by its differential
contexts of uses, as you said.
There are many words (of the same spelling and sound),
which
carry different meanings due to changes in
use-contexts.
For example, "Watch" by which we can mean just
seeing/observing (watch out), while it's another
meaning
of wrist-watch (that gives us time).
Most important thing is: Gachow has a sworn mission of
anti-Islam advocacy that made him arrogant and ultimately
ignorant in many cases, such as his speech at the
BD-Mission. Iblis lost his position from and earned the
curse of Allah (SWT) due to arrogance, which ultimately
earned him nothing but idiocy (he became the great
sinner!).
Khoda Hafez,
Zainul Abedin
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Subject: Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury's New York Speech
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Date: Friday, July 10, 2015, 12:37 PM
Dear All:
As Salamu Alaikum. Hope Ramadan is going
well.
Recently, Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury
(I'll mention him as AGC now on) gave a speech
in New York City (NYC) that caused quite a bit of
uproar. I've decided to listen to his speech before
making any conclusion. I listened (watched) to his
speech he delievered in NYC. I don't think AGC is
an
Islamic scholar. An Islamic scholar would provide
references
from the Holy Qur'an & Sahih (authentic) Hadith
when
providing exmaples, facts which AGC didn't do. It
appears that the NYC meeting/program was not based on a
religious topic. It's puzzling why AGC choose to
speak
about Islam during the holy month of Ramadan despite it
was
not an Islamic topic program.
Anyway, from his speech in NYC, in my
humble understanding, I've found out that he did
provide
some false information on Islam. They are:
(1)
AGC mentioned mushriks deities (idols) names'
can be found in Allah's 99 names (known as
"Al-Asmaul Husna"). Actually AGC's claim
in
completely false. On the contrary, not a single name
out
of
99 names are same as any deity's (idol's) name.
Definitely, the mushriks would have been very happy, if
Allah's 99 names had been taken from their
idols'
names. But obviuosly, that's not the case.
(2)
AGC mentioned there was no "porda" (dress
code)
during Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) time and
that "porda" was added later on by others.
This is false. In fact, verses 30 and 31 of
SurahAn Noor (24:30-31) and verse 59 of Surah Al
Ahzab (33:59) revealed to provide
dress code to Muslim men
and women. And as soon as any verse revealed, that has
become mandatory on Muslims and at that time, Muslims
implemented them immediately. AGC said
"Wahabis"
implemented 'Porda,' which is completely false.
It's the commandment of Allah (swt) through the
Holy
Qur'an (I cited references above) to Prophet
Muhammad
(pbuh) which then was taught, practiced and
implemented immediately during Prophet Muhammad's
(pbuh) time.
To prove his point, AGC said Aishah (our
Prophet's wife) fought in a battle while sitting on
a
horse. So she didn't do any
'porda.' Actually Aishah (May Allah be Please
with her) did take part in a battle but she was sitting
on
a
camel (not on a horse), but it is false that during
the
battle Aishah didn't do any 'porda.' This
battle
took place about 34 years after the death of Prophet
Muhamad
(pbuh). Aishah was one of the best scholars in Islam,
one
of
the wives of our beloved Prophet, she is one of the
best
examples to Muslims and yet AGC tried to claim, since
she
fought a battle, she didn't wearing proper Islamic
attire mandated by the Holy Qur'an. This alone
constitutes an insult to Aishah, because after
revealing
Quar'nic veres on the guidelines of proper Islamic
attire (I provided Qur'anic references above)
Aishah
was
definitely wearing the proper Islamic attire all the
time
even during that battle. Therefore, AGC's claim
that
Aishah didn't do 'porda' during that battle
is
completely false.
This battle took place about 34 years after
the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and we all know
that
the whole revelation of the Holy Qur'an was
complete
during Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime. So it's not
that
Aishah was in the battle before the Qur'anic verses
on
Islamic attire were revealed, but it's many years
after
Prophet's (pbuh) death.
(3)
AGC was also very critical on the fact that in his
opinion,
Bangladesh is seeing increasing numbers of hijab,
burqa,
tupis. Why would this bother him when Muslim men and
women can use hijab, burqa, tupis to follow the
Qur'anic
verses and our Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) sunnah and
guidelines? Some women choose to wear burqa, because
they
think that's safe for them so that they don't
get
noticed by other men. Yes, covering face by women is
not
mandatory, but if some women choose to cover their
face,
what is wrong with them? What is wrong with wearing,
hijab,
burqa, tupi, if Muslims choose to do so?
(4) AGC was trying to
explain the Arabic word, "Rasul." The word
"Rasul" could be used by Arabic speakers in
broader sense to simply mean a
'representative.'
But
the term "Rasulullah" (Rasul + Allah) has
been
used for all major Prophets including Prophet Muhammad,
E'esah (Jesus), Moses. Muslims know very well that
Prophet Muhammad is "Rasulullah." Prophet
E'esah (Jesus) was also mentioned as
"Rasulullah" in verse 157 of Surah An Nisa
(4:157). He could have cited this example. But I assume
he
doesn't know about references from the Holy
Qur'an.
Instead he foolishly tried to cite Nehru's example
by
saying when Nehru was visiting Saudi Arabia, he was
greeted
with the world "Marhaba Rasul Al Salam"
which
means "welcome, messenger of peace." It was
completely unnecesary to bring Nehru into this, because
he
could have cited Qur'anic example to show other
prophets
besides prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were also mentioned as
"Rasulullah" (messenger of Allah).
Though I'm not a scholar, I feel as a
Muslim, it is my duty to speak up especially when AGC
provided some false information on Islam. Please feel
free
to correct me, if there is/are any error(s) in my
references
and facts. May Allah help us. May Allah give
"Hidayah" (guidance) to AGC.
Thank you.
Shaheen
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