The anthem that made all the bir uttum proud is good enough for the nation; a stupid will disagree. Do you realize how the religions are connected; Kaba sharif was a store room for idol little God from others religion. We Muslim don't pray facing using religious icon ( idol) but we pray facing Holy Kaba Sharif. Prophet didn't want to demolish Kaba sharif because he didn't want hurt sentiment of others religion, because for them it was a house of their God. They used to come for Haj, before Islam , Muslim has a similar Haj practice, if have question of Haj before Islam the k with Saudi Ebassg in you are for history on Haj before Islam.
Qur were the tribe that later became Quresh tribe of our Prophet (pbuh). Thakur were the Qur that settled first in Thatta, Sindhi, Pakistan. And latter spread out rest of the subcontinent. Islam was a superior religion because modern concept like equality of all and peace is will of the Almighty and.must for progress. Katmullah preach only Muslim can be good enough for Jannat,
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On Friday, March 11, 2016, 10:55 AM, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
Act like a bir (heroe) with unnoto momosher.It's not the "Hindu poet" thing stupid! It is the sanctity of the national anthem of a nation that we are dealing with. When on the Bangladesh flag the sun signifies the rising star, why not abandon the old, dying identity of Bengali nationalism for the emerging entity of a Bangladeshi nationalism?To the hardcore BKSALI confused people, you only know how to be abusive to the people with different views calling them as the mulla and jamatis- as if India bought your head and heart. We are asking people to act like a bir (heroe) with unnoto momosher.Mind you, in his latter years, Tagore hated people like you and himself abandoned his commitment to Bengali nationalism and showed his allegiance for Indian nationalism.On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:Transcript of agartala trial could be the best public source of any Bagladesh flag design before 1969.
Come to think of it, military person stationed in w Pak were not so shy about griping about the lack of investment in military and industries in then east Pak , right after the 65 war. And saw the remedy as nothing short of Independence; didn't think of flag. One of biggest rationale for independent BD was revenue from jute, which was believed to be biggest foreign exchange earners but beneficiaries was Panjub and Karachi, it was frequently discussed in Bengali military family gathering after the war. These guy were ready to risk their neckdidnt think of flag for the nation they wanted badly wanted.
I faintly remember , on my home from school learned that sergeant zahirul huq tortured to death for his contribution in the design of the flag, I also remember then Lt col Mustafiz, Lt col Naimul islam and captain khurshid of their vision of Bagladesh as another rising sunin the east like japan. Lt cmdr Moazem was killed onmarch 26th 71 at his elephant residence, and Naimul Islam killed few days later, he happened to be Gen Zia's maternal uncle. I strongly believe Agartala trial had significant role in building a significant role. If you means dig into history of Zahirul Huq hall of Dacca University and o the personnn it is named after. Of they didnt had press releases or conferences for obvious reason.
For all those skeptics, who are not convinced that Japan was not the aspiration for BD flag, tell any 2 natioal flags that differ only in background color.
I am assuming, Quamrul was a great painter ( I am not great of judge of painting, but my teenage throb was small time trained painter) but nothing in the flag tells that it can only be the work of a great artist. often the national flag is simple and take inspiration from other; checkout the flag of South Korea, Japan USA, Malaysia, Australia , New Zealand, you will know what I am talking about. Some claim it for historical reason, but that doesnt explain malasia and US flag resemblance. Quamrul might had certify the flag but not the original flag, probably picked up the shades of green and red.
To those who are contemplating to compose a new national anthem, do something tangible improve the lives of people, not just feel good crap. There is old saying in our village, when men has has time to spare, they likely do something like weaving pouch for other man testicle to destroy the peace. Designated author shahadat may have all the time for weaving pouch for all katmullahs testicle and anthem. I hope he fares better then shamsur rahman, who was designated by then governor of E pakitan, to compose rabindrashangeet because he didn't want to hear hindu tagore's ranbindroshangget. To Ranu51, yes you are right, there is a subliminal message in the song amar sonar bangla, which is called bengali nationalism. Does Benglai nationalism offend you.On Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:00 PM, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
BD INTERNATIONAL NATIONAL ANTHEM REFORM MOVEMENT PARISHEDI would like to propose our respected professor Jalal Uddin Khan (PhD, English) to be the convenor/ Chairman of the ParishedI also like to propose A Akter to be the honorable secretaryZoglul Hossain as the Senior vice presidentRanu Chowdhury as the vice presidentMohamed Gani as the vice PresidentZainul Abedin as the organizing secretaryWe have to have permission from all of them to confirm the comittee, followed by adding many more names in the national and regional committees/ and in educational institutions.This could be a similar movement we have going on in Canada and internationally about the model UN. The proposed reform movement can move step by step to make people aware of the anthem to bring the needed changes.On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:34 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:--"National Anthem Reform Movement" or 'Bangladesh National Anthem Porishod'are good ideas.> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:10:29 +0000
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> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
>
> Salam,
>
> Yes, we need a "firmer" decision toward actions.
>
> Zainul
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 3/6/16, Abid Bahar <abid.bahar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Bdesh's National Anthem
> To: "Jalal Uddin Khan" <jukhan@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Zahidul Hassan" <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>, "rashed Anam" <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>, "Zoglul Zoglul" <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>, "mgani69@gmail.com" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "S Akhter" <sakhter1015@gmail.com>, "Muazzam Kazi" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "zainul abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>, "Farida Hossain" <druhfarida@gmail.com>, "Isha Khan" <bdmailer@gmail.com>, "Mina Farah" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>, "Khalifa Malik" <kmamalik15@gmail.com>, "MBI Munshi" <mbimunshi@gmail.com>, "noa@agni.com" <noa@agni.com>, "qamruddin chowdhury" <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>, "Quazi Nuruzzaman" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "Mohammed Shoaib" <shoaib187@yahoo.com>, "Serajul Islam" <serajul7@gmail.com>, "Hussain Suhrawardy" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "Farida Majid" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "Syed Siddique" <siddiquelondonuk@gmail.com>, "Nazda Alam" <nazdakalam@gmail.com>, "Mohamed Nazir" <nazir0101@gmail.com>, "Azad Khan" <azadcop@yahoo.com>, "Nazda" <alamnazdak@comcast.net>, "Rownak Shahriar" <rms34@hotmail.com>, "tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "Muhammad Ahmed" <msahmed21@yahoo.co.uk>, "Atiqur Rahman Salu" <mfariha123@aol.com>, "Sameer Syed" <amsmel@aol.com>, "syed haque" <syedhaque@hotmail.com>, "Syeda Hasan" <poplu@hotmail.com>, "Syed Margoob" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "kazimsislam@yahoo.com" <kazimsislam@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed" <anis.ahmed@netzero.net>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tareque7@gmail.com>, "nabdc group" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Jamir Chowdhury" <americamyland@gmail.com>, "Nurul Bachchu" <bachchuhaq13@yahoo.com>, "Dr.Gholam Mostofa" <mostofadrgholam@gmail.com>, "Baman Das" <bamandas_basu@yahoo.com>, "Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu" <Khondkar_Karim@uml.edu>, "Dr. Em Pannah" <em.pannah@americatech.us>, "Golam Akhter" <akhtergolam@gmail.com>, "Iqbal Yousuf" <iqbalyousuf1@yahoo.com>, "Asiful Islam" <asifuli@gmail.com>, "Khondkar Saleque" <khondkar.saleque@gmail.com>, "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>, "Osman Gani" <mo.gani@hotmail.com>, "Osman Gani" <osmangani@gmail.com>, "quamrul hassan" <quamrul.hassan01@gmail.com>, "Mahbubur Rahman" <apurba01@gmail.com>, "Md Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "Bazlul Wahab" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "la-discussion@googlegroups.com" <la-discussion@googlegroups.com>, "Nuran Nabi" <nurannabi@gmail.com>, "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "MuktoChinta@yahoogroups.com" <muktochinta@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 6, 2016, 9:53 AM
>
> NATINAL ANTHEM REFORM MOVEMENT
> As if like the Bangla Vasha
> Songram.Porishad of the 50's was formed to implement
> Bangla as our language, we can also start a national anthem
> reform movement porished to implement the anthem of
> Bangladesh.
> (1)
> The first step in this direction is to make people
> conscious of the anomalies with the present state of the
> anthem(2) Second step could be to ask for
> submission of songs or suggestion for the reform of
> Tagore's present song/ anthem.
> (3) Personally, I would say that
> instead of changing the present song completely, we can
> reform it by adding the word Bangladesh and injecting some
> spirit into it. Both USA and Canada made reforms in their
> original anthem to accommodate the country's state of
> existence.
> Surely, the
> Mujibbadi indian puppet dada and sinduri didis are going to
> vehemently oppose it. To them the plagiarism/ cheating by
> Tagore is forgivable because he was a god to them. To my
> knowledge, (most teachers would know) we expel students from
> educational institutions for this type of offensive. In the
> academic circle, this is considered as a criminal offence.
> Surely, Tagor's criminality in this composure
> shouldn't be carried as a burden by the
> entire nation. True, we shouldn't be standing up to
> show respect to a an article of theft.
> Finally, this issue has been in
> discussion for quite sometime but no nationwide initiative
> has been taken yet to reform the anthem. At this stage,
> forming a nationwide Anthem Reform Movement Parished should
> be the way to go. This should be organized by an ANTHAM
> REFORM MOMENT CENTRAL COMMITTEE to repeatedly raise the
> issue to both Awami and BNP led governments. Awamis as
> fascists generally are very stubborn people, but to succeed
> in bringing progressive changes, people have to be more
> stubborn then them.
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:25
> AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> No problem as we all agree that this Amar Sonar B
> should not have been chosen as the national anthem of Bdesh.
> The only difference is that while the issue of derivation in
> terms of tune and text is very serious to you, Dr. Rashed,
> it is not so to me, given the fact that Tagore was one of
> the greatest poets by his own merit and talent. However, I
> mentioned 6 reasons against Amar Sonar B in my writing. If
> the derivation or the borrowing or the imitation thing is
> included (which I would not include with prominence), the
> number would be 7. I cannot agree with Mr Zahidul H's
> suggestion because Chol Chol Chol Urdho Gogone Baje Matol is
> only a martial/military song covering only one side, one
> element. A national anthem should more importantly cover
> other things in terms of noble and lofty patriotism and love
> and attachment to the soil, connected with its birth in a
> profoundly heightened and generalized manner. "As a suggestion, Talim Hussein's
> extremely cute
> and appropriately short and simple 8-line lyric, Shwadhin
> Bangladesh—concise
> yet powerful and forceful and resonant with the repetition
> of "Bangladesh" in a
> beautiful refrain—may very well come into the picture for
> consideration.
> Although Gazi Mazharul Anwar's Prothom Bangladesh Amar
> Shesh Bangladesh,
> distinguished for its superb lyrics, could be a great
> candidate, it will
> for sure be opposed by the Awami League for its long
> association with the BNP."
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:15
> AM, Zahidul Hassan <zahidhassan_2000@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I
> have said to many of friends nation anthem should be
> something like " Chol, Chol, Chol" and not the
> bhalobashar gajakhori.
> WasSalam,Zahid
> - Opu
>
>
> On Saturday,
> March 5, 2016 4:26 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Khan,
> Having agreed all you've said, I
> think my posts are in congruent with central premise, as I
> too have mentioned that millions of people do these sort of
> plagiarism, influenced writing, singing etc. My arguments
> vary in two distinct points:
>
> 1) Knowing how deeply similar tune the
> 'Amar Sonar Bangla' is to the tune and style of
> 'Ami khothai Pabo Tare', the song can not be
> characterized as an original one.
>
> 2) Knowing national anthem being so
> sacred to the spirit of the nation, it should not be a 2nd
> rated/coped/plagiarized/influenced one. The national anthem
> should only original in its spirit, in its tune and
> lyrical substance. Obviously the 'Amar Sonar Bangla'
> failed to uphold that lofty goal.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thanks, Dr. Rashed. In my article I made six
> detailed and concrete arguments against Amar Sonar B not
> deserving the status of the national anthem of Bdesh. The
> first version of my article was published about 20 years
> ago, then slightly revised versions at different times.
> However, the matter of "plagiarism" was not one of
> the six points I made. It was only mentioned in passing. The
> reason is that it is a common practice that poets and
> writers, major or minor, big or small, from Shakespeare to T
> S Eliot, do sometimes imitate, emulate, borrow, re-do,
> refashion and recreate other poets' or writers'
> themes, ideas, form and style in their own works as they
> struggle to be themselves and to find their own voice. That
> is why there is the modern literary theory of the burden of
> the past or the anxiety of influence. Those borrowings or
> stealings, so long as they are given a creative treatment to
> be made their own, integrated in their own way, are not
> taken very seriously. I think that is what has happened in
> the case of Tagore. Thanks for all the other information.
>
> On Sat, Mar 5,
> 2016 at 8:18 PM, rashed Anam <rashedanam1971@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Thank you Dr. Jalal Uddin Khan for
> your informative post.
>
> With regards to Tagore's plagiarizing
> of 'Amar Sonar Bangla' from 'Ami khothai pabo
> tare', does admittance of plagiarizing inoculate it
> from the offense itself? Does it make the plagiarizing
> vanish in the ether? Or does it sanitize and water down
> the plagiarizing?
>
> If you listen to the tune, it is almost
> 1-1 match. The lyrics like 'Mori hai..." are carbon
> copies. The evidence of the song 'Ami kothai pabo
> tare' was too strong for Tagore to out right deny it.
> He had to admit it. But remember he admitted it after 5/6
> years. The 'amar sonar bangla' was written around
> 1905 and Tagore admitted it in 1914, after about 9 years
> when the controversy was high and evidence was irrefutable
> about it. Tagore wrote an article title 'postman'
> (Harkara) about it admitting about it and on Baul songs.
> Actually the famed Mr. Shottajir Roy made a movie called
> 'Postman' on the life of Gagan Harkara.
>
> Just as a alleged
> thief's admittance of his theft does not make the
> original offense of theft non-existent or go away, a
> plagiarizer's plagiarizing does not become non-existent
> upon his admittance or sugar coating or sanitizing of it.
> The tune is too similar to 'ami kothai pabo tare'
> for it to be considered an original song. There is nothing
> wrong to copy or heavily mimic other song. There are
> millions of such songs and by famous song writers. But the
> issue is about trying to sell it as epic, as original, or
> praise worthy. To do so would be mis-characterizing it and
> also robbing the original song writer/singer Gagan Harkara
> of the credit .
>
>
> The
> question remains, how can a plagiarized or mimic song
> 'amar sonar bangla' be a national anthem of any
> country?? A national Anthem is very sacred. It has to be
> original at least for it to be considered sacred. It cannot
> be a coped version of someone else song.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFetWNuaoE
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