Story of savages with knives, daggers and swords! Is that the history of glorious Islam? Has it changed any bit since 7th century? Why discuss these Arabic savages than looking into our own past and be proud of own Sindhu/Indus heritage? Are Bangladeshi Muslims Arab descendants? Can people be so idiotic that they do not see any good in their own past but see greater glory with sword wielding Arabs and Bedouins? What a shame!
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com> wrote:
( When all decent muslim adhere to verse La Ikraha Fiddin, when Omar despised it enough to behead for demanding the rights from that edict.Because it unequivocally mandate freedom of beliefs, so with all with others that corroborates)
Hate to break it to you, but find zainul pretentious. He sugar coat katmullah position, just to get people drop their guard, exploiting people's good heart. From there it gets lot easier for katmullahs work on people. In short , he essentially belongs to the same pod as katmullahs.
I am secured in my position on Islam. And Willing not sell any garbage as God's word. Omar who was a drunkard himself for many years, claims to beheading his teen son, when was he the one who exposed son to that . If he really killed or spread the lies to create image that to impress, either way it was pungent , to say the least..
Prophet on his dead bed warned Omar against the lies he was spreading about him and religion. Omar was spreading , the kafirs belief of immortality as islamic. Prophet refused to appointment him or others to succeed, because Islam is not political decree to grab power, Allah doesn't need anybody to expand rule. As it is,everybody is already under his rule. It is kafir like thinking to demand one religion is must to make easy for God to rule. This rejection of verse La Ikraha Fiddin, in favor of kafir mandate of enforcing one belief , unfortunately pretty wide spread. No one is more responsible for that is Omar and his admirers.
Omar begging for his life to his slaver who turned on him for mistreatment. Slavery is affront to the notion of equality which is bedrock decree of Islam and any decency. So is concubine, but he flaunt these ethics, if your neighbor own slaves and concubine, would you ever consider approving any of family members marrying in n that family or that guy, if no, then it so divine practice for Omar.
Omar treated Jews better than others in later of life. He personally chased christaians away in Jerusalem, and participate personally in taking out garbage to make path for jews to go and pray. But by then not tolerating different beliefs became so big part of religion that still is plaguing it, giving upper hand to not so sophisticated on religion, and it benefited them at expense at expense of greater community.
https://islamqa.info/en/134757
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On Sat, 7/8/17, 'zainul abedin' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegrups.com> wrote:
Subject: {PFC-Friends} Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: Caliphah Omar
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Date: Saturday, July 8, 2017, 6:20 PM
Assalamu
Alaikum,
I do
not reply to the pseudonyms because of their Satanic
activities in disguise. I told once this KO that I will not
reply to his retorts thogh sometimes look good. He had
a dubious role at the beginning (sometimes good, sometimes
bad). He once invited one bro. to contact him personally so
that he can do some personal favor! Now, this KO has made it
clear that he is someone who knows everything bad in
Islam!
I
add: Hazrat Omar (RA) was so straightforward and
uncompromising with Satanic matters that if Satan saw Omar
(RA) coming, Satan ran away from that area!
Zainul
Abedin
On Saturday, July 8,
2017 4:24 PM, 'Razzak Syed' via North America
Bangladeshi Community <nabdc@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Ranu Bhai,
AWRB. Thank you for your valuable inputs. First of all, all
the four Khalifa was closet friends of Prophet (SAW) and
praised by Allah(SWT) for their honesty and integrity. So we
no one to judge them. Besides as you mentioned, Omar (RA)
was very straight forward and honest ruler. He was very hard
working. There are numerous incidents, because of his
humbleness, people embraced Islam.
Razzak A. Syed
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Jul
2017, at 4:56 am, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:
Whatever little I know of Islamic history, Umar Ibn Khattab,
the Second Caliph of Islam, was once a fierce opponent
of Muhammad (SM) and his new faith (Islam). He was
very literate but violent in nature and did openly
whatever he believed in. Brandishing his
sword, he was on his way to kill the Prophet. On the
way, a friend informed him that he should first fix his
house because his sister and her husband secretly embraced
the new religion. Umar turned back and rushed to his sister,
who and and her husband along
with a few new converts, were reciting a newly
revealed verse ( Sura Taha 81:1) at that moment. After a
dramatic entry into the house, Umar demanded and
listened to the verse, and his heart melted instantly. He
rushed back to the Prophet, still with sword
drawn, and declared his allegiance to the new faith.
Umar's conversion to Islam was as dramatic as it
was a new found strength among the Muslims. Unlike
others, Umar made no secret of his conversion, and nobody
dared to challenge him, mainly because of his
nature and high family connections among
Quraysh.
Though a little short tempered and strict ( he bet his own
son to death for drinking wine), Umar was the most
capable administrator among the Khulaf-e-Rashedeen. He
is credited for maintaining unity within Islam, at times
using autocratic measures, in the face
of a growing factionalism within and
outsied. Islamic empire saw huge expansion under
his command, time, thanks mainly to a
great general like Khalid Ibn Walid (whom he later
fired suspecting his popularity and a threat in him). His
greatest success was the
breakup of Persio-Roman alliance and conquest of Persia.
However, distractors found him to be very strict and
unkind.
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Subject: Re: Caliphah Omar
Who is
this rascal and an Islamophobe Khoniker Othitee and
why am I receiving his nasty email ?
On 8 July 2017 at
13:48, Khoniker Othithee
<khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If some one fear Allah (swt) doesn't mean One have to
sing praises for cruelties that Omar committed. When 1971 is
so far off, then how narratives, supposedly from 1400
year ago are so authentic, is it because narrated in
Arabic.
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On Sat, 7/8/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Caliphah Omar
To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
Cc: "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ranu51@hotmail.com>,
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Date: Saturday, July 8, 2017, 2:41 AM
Mr. KO,
After 1400 years, none of us in a position to judge
any
Khalifa or Shahabah of Prophet(SAW), when we
can't
decide who declared the war 1971?
We get different judgment or opinion about the
people, who are alive, involved in politics or social
work.
On a personal email, you
mentioned that "I fear Allah", even the
Devil
(Iblis) said the same during battle of Badar, also
as
Allah(SWT) mentioned same in the holy Quran
" তারা
শয়তানের মত, যে
মানুষকে কাফের হতে
বলে।
অতঃপর যখন সে কাফের
হয়,
তখন শয়তান বলেঃ
তোমার
সাথে আমার কোন
সম্পর্ক
নেই। আমি
বিশ্বপালনকর্তা
আল্লাহ তা'আলাকে
ভয়
করি।"
Please
be careful, if you truly fear Allah (SWT).
Razzak A. Syed
Sent from my iPhone
> On 8 Jul 2017, at 2:04
pm, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> I get tired of hearing, "Omar was
kind man, oh by the he also beheaded people'. Is
the
definition of kind man ; are we muslims are taken for
Fools.
Prophet of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Ibrahim
are only
human characaters matters in Islam. It is
through Hadis,
this charcters, like Omar , are larger than Life in
Muslim
world.But we know there hundreds of verses in Hadis
are
dubbed unauthentic, when misguide Muslim with
unauthentic
versus, isn't it blasphemous to misguide Mullins
with
fake docs.
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