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Sunday, December 23, 2007

[vinnomot] Re: Will there be a Indian or Pakistani equivalent of Gorvachev?

I think the author of this column needs education in social science
and history. I am sorry to say author has zero knowledge of
political science. Multu-ethnic, multi-lingual states of India is at
much advanced stage of evolution of political system. Look Europe--
they are trying to create another India like system through EC.

As the communication will improve, most of the nations will join
hands to create a common market first and then a social market will
be created similar to EC. As long as democracy works, there is
nothing wrong in multi-ethnic states--that is the lesson learned
from Indian experimemt of success and Soviet's failure. Multi-ethnic
states will hold together very well if it is run on fuel of
capitalism & democracy because of market force it can create. Soviet
fails because they lacked both. Being in business development in
India for American companies, I know, they all love India because of
its large market. That simply explains why India gets second highest
FDI in the world and its neighboring countries receive peenuts.

As the people will be more business minded like in America or in
China and now in India-justification for a state will fall--and a
single nation with a single market will emerge. India, EC is a step
towards that direction of unity of human nation. This is the
prediction of all social theories-Marxism, Social Thermodynamics,
social field theory--you name it. They all agree that future belongs
to a single nation state.

I don't read this 'innovative' innovation line because I found its
writers are awefully illiterate in political theories and social
science! There was a article by Tagore-he said, if you want to serve
your country, educate yourself first to the level so that you can
serve your country right. If the authors of this innovation line
keep writing such nonsense being driven by their anti-Indian zeal,
their work will only be counter productive to their beloved country.

Bangladesh needs FDI-quite a good bit of them at this point--work
for it instead of bringing the ideas that will hurt the development
of market in Bangladesh.

Thanks
Biplab

--- In vinnomot@yahoogroups.com, "Innovation Line"
<innovation_line@...> wrote:
>
>
> Will there be a Indian or Pakistani equivalent of Gorvachev?
>
> Both the countries need a Gorvachev like personality, to free their
> people from the stupidity of their leaderships that takes their
> inspiration from early 20th century
>
> Let it be made clear that the human civilization that we, people
in the
> eastern and western parts of South Asia, represent great
civilizations
> that rival any of the worlds other civilizations. However, this
area has
> built its civilization during thousands of years through a
distributed
> scale. History do not indicate a monolithic existance of national
or
> supra-national identity among ourselves. This is also true that
going
> forward, civilizations around the world are working tirelessly to
build
> mechanisms that facilitate more uniform development in a certain
region.
> European Union and ASEAN are two such effort which have been most
> recognized as successful model.
>
> Behind the success of these two mechanisms are certainly the
recognition
> of national indentities that reside within them. Their division
within
> themselves has become a source of strength, since they have
blended a
> number of socio-politico-economic factors.
>
> In recent history, there have also been a big example which was
also
> seen as a very successful effort for the time being. Yes, we are
talking
> about Soviet Union (a.k.a. USSR) which no longer exists on the
political
> map of the globe. The model that USSR used helped them envious
> development and progress for several decades. Arguably, USSR is the
> reason that the so-called competiton model (which many would like
to
> identify as free model or the so-called free world) had something
to
> compete with. Why did it eventually fail? Among many, the one
relevant
> for our today's article would be the not recognizing the national
> identities within itself. So, while the model helped all the
identities
> to reach a certain level of meeting physical needs (food, shelter,
etc),
> however, the mechanism through which USSR worked did not provide
enough
> room for the differences among themselves to act in a way that it
become
> strength. Before being too late, luckily the USSR produced a
leader like
> Gorvachev - who recognized the underlying weakness of the
mechanism.
> That recognition resulted in something that we all know - Russian
> Federation and many other states. Over time, there proximity may
> encourage them to build something similar to EU. Or if there are
other
> groupings that are natuaral, those may arise. Only time will
dictate
> that. But our point is not what future hold - rather we want to
point to
> the fact that Gorvachev prevented a big blunder which may have
resulted
> from USSR. Great leaders not only builds, they sometimes destroy -
> though with a long-term constructive view.
>
> There are few other similar blunders in the making - as we speak.
The
> biggest of those is the nation state called India. Don't be
suspicous.
> We are not trying to ignite instability within India, rather we
want to
> point to certain analytical aspects of the state - addressing of
which
> may help avert a blunder in near future.
>
> The biggest blunder was the concept of political India - the Brits
were
> leaving - but those who were making them leave, including the
greats
> like Mahatma Gandhi, they did not realize the fact that opposition
of
> Brits can not be a basis of a nation state. We, all the people,
were
> united then - not because we are alike, but because we had a common
> enemy. This was more true since the enemy was there for a long
time -
> two centuries. Yet, two centuries can not blend the thousands of
years
> of differences. The differences had to be recognized - both in
political
> and economic terms - if those differences were to become strength.
A
> mechanism had to be built. But we did not had the time, since the
Brits
> were not here to govern, they were the bandits. Ooh, the British
Raj was
> not the only blunder, it was also complicated by another twist -
> Pakistan.
>
> So, in 1947, two odd cousin were given birth in the political map
of the
> globe. Even though, there should have been several tens of separate
> identities within British Raj, the opposition of it made us think
there
> is one identity. And some other stupids thought its a good time to
get a
> country to rule - if they push religion into the politics. The
rest is
> history. Hundreds of peoples lives and displacement, yet no peace,
no
> development, no viable model for long term stability.
>
> Pakistani rulers were more stupid than the Indians - back in the
early
> days. So, they started to feel the stupidity earlier than the
Indians.
> But India is also feeling that every day - every second. Until
recently,
> however, there was not a single leader in who recognized or had the
> moral strength to publicly say that fact.
>
> Most recently, Sardarji has alluded to it. But he only goes so far.
> Meeting the economic needs the very basic reason for a state or a
> mechanism to exist. When that phisical need is not realized, the
> differences become promient - if there are differences. That means,
> India is yet to touch the achievments of USSR. And it does not
look like
> it would. But he does not see beyond economics - after all he is
not a
> politician. So, its not surprising. But the point is - there is no
need
> to re-invent the wheel and waste time and resources and human
lives. It
> has been tested in USSR already - isn't it? Why do the wait? Off
course,
> to understand that and at the sametime to have the capacity and
courage,
> India will have to give birth of a Gorvachev. That is the way to
avoid a
> blunder. So, is the case for Pakistan. But it seems its too late
for
> them. Hopefully not. The world do not need any more blunders, while
> there is the biggest unresolved blunder which we call Global
Warming or
> Climate Change.
>
> Given the current mechanism that exists within the both artificial
> monoliths that was created due to the stupidity of some and
falliability
> of otheres, it is very unlikely that a single Gorvachev-like
figure will
> evolve to rescue them. So, it is upto progressive thinkers and
> intellectuals to figure out reforms that are done on the political
> sphere and the result goes directly to the individual people and
> national identities. In a sense, these progressive thinkers will
have to
> fill in the shoes of Gorvachev, if blunder-like situations are to
be
> avoided.
>
> One more important thing to emphasize. Before we make that point,
it
> should be made clear that this is an outsiders' view of what is
> happening both the countries, albeit at a two different scale and
> different perspective. Yet, both the countries traces back their
origin
> in the opposition of the Brits - a wrong one to build nations on.
Both
> the nation competes to build tools to destroy each other while
millions
> of their own people go to bed hungry. Yet, the brains of these two
> nations do not recognize the inherent problem since they are still
> emerged into the psedo nationalism, as was the case for USSR
leadership.
>
> If this analysis is true, the main thrust in this regard has to
come
> from the intelligentia of those embedded nationalitites who are
> relatively well-off. Otherwise, if the mainstream intelligentia
joins
> hands with the stray forces in the underdeveloped regions ( e.g.
eastern
> provinces, norther provinces, disputed provinces in both
entities), that
> could be dangerous. Mistakes in the centre might make such
development
> inevitable. However, a better scenario would be if the centre do
not
> make any mistakes, people who are relatively well-off realizes the
> importance of recognition of embedded indentities within the
> recognitions of being Indians or Pakistanis. In order to make the
> transition smooth, forces of thought has to take control. If the
forces
> of economics and the forces of physical needs takes over, that
could be
> problematic.
>
> That is exactly why we are asking the question that we asked in the
> title. Will there be a Indian or Pakistani equivalent of
Gorvachev? If
> so, who are those? Are those individual personalities or groups?
Are
> those driven by forces of thought or are those forces of physical
needs?
> Do those individuals and forces recognizes the need for stability
and
> peaceful transition - at the for the sake of humanity and world
peace or
> are those whimsical? Answers to those questions are important for
the
> world polity to consider. It is more important for the countries
within
> the vicinity.
>
> If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time,
please
> forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columinsts in
regular
> traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear
to the
> journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it
with
> them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due
diligence.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Innovation Line
>
>
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