Re: [ALOCHONA] FW: OPEN LETTER TO DARUL ULOOM DEOBAND FROM BHARATIYA MUSLIM MAHILA ANDOLAN

         The problem with many "Muslim" women's organization in Bangladesh is that they are just female cadres of the jehadi Islamists comprised of completely brainwashed hijabized zombies. The secular women's organizations, on the other hand, do not have enough knowledge of religious matters and therefore are unable to fight the illegal anti-women fatwas on religious grounds.  The net result is the continuing oppression of Muslim women by illegal religious fatwas. 
 
                      Farida Majid       


>>>>>>>>  Dear Alochok,

I agree that, lack of knowledge about authentic Islam is a problem in Bangladesh and many other countries. There are good people among us who are trying to address this issue with Islamic sources. I have copied a mail from a different forum where a valid "Islamic" explanation was given to make that so called "Fatwa" invalid. This was posted by Mohammad Choudhury.

Well known Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik also said the same thing about "Talaq" in Islam.

There are good men and women among us who have good knowledge of Islam, we need to support them in confronting such social issues.

From your prior posts I have a feeling that, you have concerns about status of women in Bangladesh. I feel that if you stay away from verbal assaults [ jehadi Islamists comprised of completely brainwashed hijabized zombies.] and show respect to these people and Islam, your words will have more traction in hearts of Muslim men and women. You know the old saying you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

There are serious ignorance about religion in developed countries as well. If people of good will want to correct this situation, we have to use our knowledge [ NOT force or insults] to address this important issue.

Allah (SWT) also taught us how to make effective presentation and show tolerance to people at the same time.

So We have taught thee the inspired (Message), "Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah.The Sabbath was only made (strict) for those who disagreed (as to its observance); But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment, as to their differences.

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: But if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient. And do thou be patient, for thy patience is but from Allah; nor grieve over them: and distress not thyself because of their plots.For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good.  [ good to other people]

[ The noble Qur'an 16:123-128]

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Choudhury <msuc@hotmail.com>
To: history_islam@yahoogroups.com <history_islam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 8:25 am
Subject: RE: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] Muslim man told his divorce joke on Skype stands

 
 Jokingly saying something without intention shall not be counted and considered as real oath in Islam. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur'an: "Allah will not call you to account for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will call you to account for the intentions in your hearts. And He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing." [2:225].
 
Accordingly, jokingly writing divorce without intention is not accountable to Allah and divorce is not materialized. Therefore, the fatwa given by the Darul Uloom Deobandi seminary in northern India is not valid. The "Talaq" has not been done. "Talaq" in Islam is not that easy. That is why and whole surah was revealed on "Talaq"...Surah 65.

Marriage is a solemn responsibility for the the husband and wife and it is a sign of Allah (swt) that He put love and mercy between their hearts (30:21). For any dispute, Allah has guided the couple with the verse 4:34...Men take care of women – since God has endowed some with qualities that differ in degree, and since men spend from their financial resources. The righteous women are obedient (to God), and during the absence (of their husbands), they honor them according to God's commandment, even when alone in their privacy. As for those women who bring about in you a fear of disloyalty, you shall first advise them. Then (if they continue), you may desert them in bed. Then, (if they continue), you may leave them  [i.e. divorce them,  our traditional mowlanas will tell you this meaning as "beat" them which is not true (see below)]. If they obey you, (however,) then you must not do any wrong against them. God is Most High, Supreme.
 
The root word "Daraba" used in this verse has several meanings as given in the Qur'an: 

• To travel, to get out: 3:156; 4:101; 38:44; 73:20; 2:273
• To strike: 2:60,73; 7:160; 8:12; 20:77; 24:31; 26:63; 37:93; 47:4
• To beat: 8:50; 47:27
• To set up: 43:58; 57:13
• To give (examples): 14:24,45; 16:75,76,112; 18:32,45; 24:35; 30:28,58; 36:78; 39:27,29; 43:17; 59:21; 66:10,11
• To take away, to ignore: 43:5
• To condemn: 2:61
• To seal, to draw over: 18:11
• To cover: 24:31
• To explain: 13:17

 

Basically the verse 4:34 gives a guidance for couples who will have problems in their marital relationships and how to deal them and finally separate themselves by divorce. Under these conditions, divorce will be materialized in three stages and upto two stages husband and wife can go back and live together. But the third stage is final and after that stage the verse 2:230 will have to applied.

 

 

Yours

 

Mohammad S. Choudhury

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 2:34 am
Subject: [ALOCHONA] FW: OPEN LETTER TO DARUL ULOOM DEOBAND FROM BHARATIYA MUSLIM MAHILA ANDOLAN

 

                     The problem with many "Muslim" women's organization in Bangladesh is that they are just female cadres of the jehadi Islamists comprised of completely brainwashed hijabized zombies. The secular women's organizations, on the other hand, do not have enough knowledge of religious matters and therefore are unable to fight the illegal anti-women fatwas on religious grounds.  The net result is the continuing oppression of Muslim women by illegal religious fatwas. 
 
                      Farida Majid        
 

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:54:35 -0800
Subject: OPEN LETTER TO DARUL ULOOM DEOBAND FROM BHARATIYA MUSLIM MAHILA ANDOLAN

 

OPEN LETTER TO DARUL ULOOM DEOBAND FROM   BHARATIYA MUSLIM MAHILA ANDOLAN   We the activists of Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan condemn the fatwa issued by Darul Ifta, Fatwa department of Sunni Islamic seminary, Darul Uloom Deoband stating that divorce pronounced by the husband on phone is valid even if the wife has not heard it due to network problems. It says that 'for talaak to take place it is not necessary that wife should hear it or witnesses are present.' In October this year they also ruled that talaak pronounced in jest is also valid.    We demand an answer from all those mullas, muftis and qazis who have nothing better to do than pass fatwas which ruin the lives of so many women. We ask you 5 questions and we demand an answer to all of them:   Who are you and what is your authority in passing fatwas? In a secular democracy like India and in a religion that denounces clergy ship, from where do you get the authority to pass dictates which are unConstitutional and unIslamic? What is the source of illogical, stupid and laughter-evoking fatwas like women should not be riding bicycles, women should not talk loudly, they should not work in male company and without a veil, that women cannot be a judge and that she cannot be talking to her fiancé before marriage and many other much much more ridiculous rulings? Don't you think twice before you defile a rational, progressive and liberal religion like Islam? Don't you have an iota of a sense of responsibility?  A Muslim man today feels empowered and emboldened when irresponsible muftis and qazis send letters and notices on his behalf to his unsuspecting wife abruptly terminating her marriage. Divorcing ones wife by letters, emails, SMSs is a recurring phenomenon which gives no opportunity to a harried wife to even know what went wrong where and how. Instead of dissuading men from resorting to this unIslamic method of divorce, the qazis are actually providing an easy conduit to men who think of marriage as some joke and his wife to be some piece of furniture to be discarded at his will. What do you feel when you read the verse no. 4:35 which insists on arbitration before divorce? Do you suffer from selective amnesia and forget all those verses which are just and fair to women? Is there no control over the qazis and maulana? Are they free to speak nonsense and defile the religion and hurt the dignity of Muslim women? You have given a bad name to Islam. Give us one good reason why Muslim women should not approach the police station and put these irresponsible mullas behind bars? When practically all Islamic/Muslim countries have codified the family law, why is the Darul Uloom not taking an initiative to call for codification of Muslim personal law in India? You have to tell us your views on codification.   We challenge the Darul Uloom Deoband to be answerable to Muslim women on the above and many more such pressing issues. We urge you to stop taking the community and Muslim women for granted.

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