[ALOCHONA] Re: From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak

Mohsin Ali has no basic understanding of what is 'too far'. He thinks he understands it because he is responding to a chemical reaction in his brain to criticism and mockery of his Nethri.

If the same thing were said about Khaleda in power he would smirk with pleasure.

He thinks he can spot a 'plot of propoganda' but he wouldn't know a plot hatched by RAW if it danced nakedly in front of him.

But he's an expert on 'plots of propoganda'.

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mohsin Ali <baarnyinc@...> wrote:
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> WHEN THE HOUMOUR IS BASED ON LIES, FAKE AND FALSE STORIES, INFORMATION AND MADE UP DRAMA AND IT GOES TOO FAR THEN IT IS NOT A HUMOUR, IT IS A PLOT OF PROPAGANDA.
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> MR. SHAFIQ RAHMAN, CA, A PARTNER OF LATE SAIFUR RAHMAN (FORMER BNP FINANCE MINISTER) OF RAHMAN AND RAHMAN CA FIRM, WILL EMPLOY HIS FULL EFFORTS TO DEFAME AWAMI LEAGUE. HE MIGHT BE DREAMING TO TAKE THE POSITION OF LATE SAIFUR RAHMAN IN THE FUTURE BNP GOVERNMENT. SO, HE IS SHARPING HIS PEN.
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> --- On Mon, 2/7/11, qrahman@... <qrahman@...> wrote:
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> From: qrahman@... <qrahman@...>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 8:03 AM
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> Shafiq Rehman used to be a blind BAL supporter. He supported Hasina joining Ershad during 80's. Now he wrote some satire [ He has been using this style for decades!].
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> I think all Bangladeshis should be aware and fight anyone whoever wants to hurt us as a nation. But these  lines of "Pakkistani ghosts" and "Anti-liberation force" is getting a little old. Personally I feel "Our Liberation" was for our nation. No one "Owns" our liberation war. We only inherited it. We can only honor it if we stay with the "Spirit" of 71 and do our best to help people of the nation. A map or flag does not mean much if people inside it are not free!!
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> Anyway, kindly have a sense of humor. Personally I was not a fan of Mr. Rehman when he used to support Hasina blindly [ Even after she joined dictator Ershad during 80's]. Still I am not a fan after he changed his "Color" and became a blind BNP lover. We need honest people who are not afraid to speak against their own party or people when country requires us to do so.
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> These Ghosts are paid with big bucks to propagate against the liberation ideals, liberation heros and those who are still fighting to uphold the liberation of Bangladesh.
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> >>>>>>>>> I have faith in "Common sense" of our people. No amount of money can buy all Bangladeshis for a long period of time. I feel our problem is we have too many "Slaves". Some belong to India, some to Pakistan, some to the US, some to BNP, some to BAL. Sadly not too many "True Bangladeshis" who are always pro-Bangladesh.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
> To: Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 10:51 am
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
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> Posted by: "Mohsin Ali" baarnyinc@...   baarnyinc
> Sat Feb 5, 2011 5:27 am (PST)
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> The so-called published dialogue between Hillary and PM Sheikh Hasina was a fake story.I wrote it before and challenged to prove it to be true. Dr. Golam Farid Akhter of Human Rights from Washington DC called the US State Department about this published Hillary-Hasina Dialogue and the State Department denied of any such dialogue of Hillary and Hasinausing the languages published on the internet.
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> This is just the propaganda of the Pakistani Ghosts. They are still fighting to change the history and redo the Pakistan. These Pakistani Ghosts are fully paid by the BNP/Jamat and ISI. Please check the internet's different blogs, Online News websites, e-mail sites and find how many hundreds of e-mails and writings these Pakistani Ghosts are posting every single day! Who have such time to volunteer to write such hundreds of e-mails and articles, dramas, fake stories every single day using very rough abusive words which even a human being cannot utter publicly? These Ghosts are paid with big bucks to propagate against the liberation ideals, liberation heros and those who are still fighting to uphold the liberation of Bangladesh.
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> Thank you for your understanding.
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> Dr. Mohsin Ali.
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> --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@ yahoo.com>
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> Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 11:09 AM
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> In the eighties my boss Mr Kamal told me that Shafiq Rehman actually is a fraud. I did not believe him at that time as Shafiq Rehman was a hero to usfor his anti-Ershad stance.
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> In mid-nineties his true colour was being gradually revealed to our eyes. However 'Jai Jai Din' became a strong weapon for BNP and could strongly misled the younger generation. Laer on it lost all its credibility.
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> In 2000-2001 Shafiq Rehman had written the book 'Amar Fanshi Chai' in the name of certain Matiur Rahman Rentu, who was working in Sheikh Hasina's house and  got fired for stealing. Shafiq Rehman then started writing in the same way as he is doing now for Hillaryleak. One of his justifications to prove that the garbage was actually written by Rentu was the low-grade language and incorrect grammar. Well, Manik Mia used to write in the same way in his column to attract general mass, and many people like Shafiq Rehman can write both in 'porishilito' and 'grammya' Bangla.
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> BNP is spending millions and millions dollars of stolen money in lobbying and propaganda against Trial of war criminals, against Awami League, and most important, against the philosophy behind the independence of Bangladesh. This time Shaifiq Rehman came up with the transcript of imaginary dialogue between Sheikh Hasina and Hillary and BNP has enough black-money to get it published through lobbyists.
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> In the Bangla version in bdnews24, one of Shafiq's point to prove that the transcript is genuine is no one knew that President Obama's mother's PhD thesis was on Microfinance. We'll if you search in google for 'obama's mother's dissertation' you'll find 766,000 hits on that. (If you search for Sakib Al Hasan, known to more than 160 million people you'll get 229,00 hits)
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> http://open. salon.com/ blog/indiana_ joe/2010/ 01/09/obamas_ mamas_dissertati on_and_other_ forgotten_ work
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> To be honest, Shafiq R. is a 'nordomar keet', can be beaten only by KZ and her 2 'chor and luccha' sons.
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> I know, BNP has millions of supporters, most of them are patriots too, I can only pray that one day they will shake of their ignorance. We need a second party who would be able to straighten up Awami League and will do constructive politics regard-less of in or out of power.
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> As one of my friends, a strong Awami-basher, says, BNP stands for Bangladesh Non Party.
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> Thanks and Regards,
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> MK
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: maqsudo@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:54:27 +0000
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
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> " Comment: It was generally understood that Awami League had won the
> last election (December 2008) with the help of General Moeen and
> India. But, it was unknown how much support was given by US to Awami
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> ..............................  Is it a new/ exciting  news?
> all sensible people in Bdesh is aware of this historic development/
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> then why farida majid is feeling shy about it?
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> What kind of " shonar Bangla " Hasina has created this time?
> oh....and " digital Bangladesh " too....in a country...where 95% people have nothing to do with PC and computing!!!!
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> From: farida_majid@...
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:23:55 -0500
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
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>               It is a pity that  for all his admiration for Art Buchwald, Shafik Rehman has learned nothing from that great columnist. Buchwald rarely wrote anything as long-winded, unfocused and pointless as this. The same old anti-India/anti-AL blabbering trying to be sleek and a wannabe wikileak!
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>                Shafik's attempt at sense of humor or political satire has always been pathetic. He fails to see that humor must accompany truth in order to give us a flash of clarity and reality in the midst of confusion and hazy understanding. That is why Socrates used humor in Plato's dialogues. In political satires there should also be a genuine love of people.  The moral outrage expressed by the superb satirical essay "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift (1667-1745) is ultimately about his heart crying out for the plight of the people of Ireland caused by the cruel policies of English landlords.
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>                 Here is Shafik Rehman insulting the huge mass of people in Bangladesh who voted in the Dec. 2008 which is pretty humorless and in bad taste. Not a speck of respect or even a mention of the large turnouts at each voting center.  Nothing but vitriol against India and AL again:
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> Comment: It was generally understood that Awami League had won the
> last election (December 2008) with the help of General Moeen and
> India. But, it was unknown how much support was given by US to Awami
> League.
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>                I don't think Art Buchwald ever wrote anything that insulted the voting public of the United States.
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>                  Farida Majid
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> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:23:58 -0800
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
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> From Wikileaks to Hillaryleak
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> Shafik Rehman
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> On 28 November 2010, website Wikileaks and its five international
> associates, namely, The New York Times, The Guardian, EI Pais, Der
> Spiegel and Le Monde, began to publish serially “Secret US Diplomatic
> Cables”. Worldwide repercussions followed and world politics looked a
> bit different. The US government was embarrassed. Information
> published by Wikileaks were considered to be true.
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> On the contrary, transcript of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s
> telephone conversation with Bangladesh prime minister Sheikh Hasina
> published on 16 January 2011, has raised doubts about its credibility.
> Photocopies of this transcript (in English) have been circulating. Two
> English newspapers, an English weekly and a Bengali newspaper
> published abridged version of the transcript. But, the question
> remained, is this transcript, which may be termed Hillaryleak true?
> Not just Awami League supporters have dismissed it as untrue, but some
> BNP supporters have expressed doubts as well. So, is Hillaryleak true?
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> Before going into that, I would like to mention about Art Buchwald who
> was the top satirist of the last six decades. In 1925, he was born in
> an Austrian-Hungarian Jewish family in New York. His father was a
> tailor and very poor. Buchwald was sent to an orphanage. After some
> years, Buchwald returned home. At 17, he left home and joined the US
> Army. During World War II he was at the Pacific. After the war, he
> chose journalism as his profession. He left US and went to Paris.
> There he joined as an editorial staff of the European version of The
> New York Herald Tribune. Since then he became highly popular by
> writing humorous but sharp, satirical yet humanitarian, analytical yet
> easy reading socio-political columns. In 1962 Buchwald returned to US.
> Tribune Media Syndicate began publishing Buchwald’s column in 550
> newspapers simultaneously on both sides of the Atlantic. Buchwald’s
> column became an institution. For readers with sense of humour and
> political consciousness, Buchwald’s column became a must read. In 1982
> Buchwald was awarded Pulitzer Prize.
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> I was introduced to Buchwald’s writings in early ‘80s. In 1979, I
> returned to Dhaka from London and felt the absence of good newspaper
> in Bangladesh. We had to depend on BBC World Service radio for
> international news. At that time I began to read International Herald
> Tribune and was deeply attracted to Buchwald’s column. I noticed, he
> was the only columnist who could write by mixing fictitious dialogue
> with facts. Of course, not all his writings were of this type. But,
> often he wrote fictitious dialogue based satirical columns. It is now
> said, after Jonathan Swift (1667-1745) who wrote Gulliver’s Travels,
> Art Buchwald was the topmost political satirist.
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> In April 1980, I began writing a weekly column, Jaijaidin, in a
> Bengali weekly, Sometimes, I began to follow Buchwald’s technique. In
> 1984, I began editing-publishing weekly Jaijaidin and there I began
> writing a weekly political column, called Diner Par Din. Occasionally,
> I wrote dialogue based columns. They were popular with the readers,
> but disliked by the rulers. Weekly Jaijaidin was banned first in 1985
> and then in 1986. One of the reasons was, in Diner Par Din column, I
> published a fictitious dialogue between the then president HM Ershad
> and his foreign minister. I was sent to exile in London. I realised
> how dangerous it could be to write fictitious political dialogue.
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> I continued to read Art Buchwald’s columns and came to the conclusion,
> to avoid such dangers, the columnist must have deep knowledge on his
> characters, his power of imagination should be strong and maximum
> precaution must be taken in this kind of writings. In short, this is a
> difficult art to muster.
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> That is why, although in US and UK there are so many good columnists,
> we do not see someone like Art Buchwald who can write imaginary
> political dialogue.
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> And on this logic, I would say, tele-talks published in Hillaryleak
> may be true. Had there been a Bangladeshi writer who is capable of
> writing such imaginary tele-dialogue, we would have known long before.
> Had there been an American or a British columnist who is capable of
> writing such imaginary tele-talk, we would have read his columns long
> before.
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> So, the question is why some people are hesitant to accept Hillaryleak as true?
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> To answer that, we shall have to consider Hillaryleak’s contents which
> can be broadly divided into seven parts. Now read on.
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> One: After preliminary exchange of greetings Secretary of State said,
> Madame Prime Minister I have been updated by Ambassador-at-Large
> Stephen Rapp about his visit to Dhaka. Honestly, at the request of New
> Delhi, we sent him there and tried our best to help you better
> organise the trial. After listening from Amb. Rapp and our Ambassador
> Moriarty, I felt obligated to inform you that both I and President
> Obama take the issue of human rights in its proper spirit. It is on
> this context, I called you to inform you that United States does not
> support the trial in its form and content. Bangladesh has to reform
> the whole process in a way so that it doesn’t become a conduit of
> punishing opposition.
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> Comment: On 13 January 2011, in a press briefing in Dhaka Ambassador
> Rapp said that US attaches importance on a fair and transparent war
> crimes trial and on amending the law regarding International War
> Crimes Tribunal. So, nothing new came out here. The new information is
> Ambassador Rapp was sent to Dhaka at the request of New Delhi.
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> Two: In reply, Prime Minister said, Madame Secretary, I understand
> your concern and I already asked my Law Minister to take note of what
> Amb. Rapp suggested. This is a trial we undertook with active support
> and assistance of New Delhi. I am sure Indian Ambassador in Washington
> DC will brief you further on that.
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> Comment: It was generally regarded that the Prime Minister had begun
> the trial with active support and assistance of New Delhi. So, here
> too nothing new has come out. The new information is, the role of
> Indian Ambassador in Washington is significant.
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> Three: Secretary then said, Prime Minister, United States stands for a
> certain values and policies which may or may not be the likes of New
> Delhi. Of course, we have been attentive to New Delhi’s most of the
> suggestions but this one I thought I should forewarn you.
>
> Prime Minister replied, Madame Secretary we noted your concerns and
> can tell you this much that this was in our manifesto and our people
> would like to see the trial should go on.
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> Comment: There is no new revelation. Hasina has always been saying,
> people would like to see this trial to go on.
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> Four: Secretary then said, absolutely, but that has to be done in a
> way so that it is accepted internationally. I am sure, even people who
> voted for your party, may not accept the trial in its form and format
> which is, to our view, flawed and politically motivated. President
> Obama working hard to bring peace to your part of the world, Madame
> Prime Minister. Therefore, United States would not allow any action
> that may only help some legitimate political forces going underground
> to create more problem for you and thereby, for us as well.
>
> Prime Minister replied, I understand. I understand. Don’t worry we
> will fix it. Don’t take it that seriously. We are doing it as we have
> to do and there are some culprits who we need to straighten up.
>
> Comment: Recently, US foreign policy has been changing to some extent.
> You can understand that when you see Secretary of State Hillary
> Clinton is apparently supportive of the Egyptian people who are
> demonstrating against President Mubarak. The US does not want
> punishing religion-based parties on the pretext of weeding out
> terrorists. US now knows, such repressive measures against religion
> based political parties may drive party activists into underground and
> in this jet age, revengeful terrorists may arrive in US and pursue
> terrorism there. So, the US wants politics to remain open where
> religion based parties may participate without fear. But note, Prime
> Minister said, the matter should not be taken seriously. Can the Prime
> Minister say this in public? Of course, she is serious. That is why
> all the top leaders of Jamaat are in jail.
>
> Five: Secretary then said, Ambassador Rapp also informed me about your
> government’s influence on the judiciary and I was told how judiciary
> is giving verdict the way you want. This is not good at the end. You
> have to be watchful.
>
> Prime Minister replied, thank you, thank you. I always value
> suggestion from yourself and President Clinton.
>
> Comment: Everybody knows that the judiciary has been set up. The US
> also knows it. That is why secretary is forewarning that such a
> judiciary may be bad for the country at the end.
>
> Six: Secretary then said, Madame Prime Minister, let me come to the
> core point for which I called you. As you have seen even Washington
> Post picked up your treatment to Dr. Yunus and Grameen Bank. I thought
> it is about time to tell you how upset we are in Washington DC. I am
> personally upset because Dr. Yunus has been a family friend to the
> Clintons long before his wining of Nobel Prize. President Clinton is
> equally upset. Hope you are aware how hard he worked to see Dr. Yunus
> gets this award. I know people may have personal issues, but when it
> comes to national icon like Dr. Yunus, I thought Bangladesh shouldn’t
> demonise country’s only Nobel Laureate.
>
> Prime Minister tried to stop her. Madame Secretary, please listen,
> please listen …
>
> But Secretary continued, Madame Prime Minister, please let me finish
> first. I hope you are aware that President Obama is a big fan of
> micro-credit. He is a fan of microfinance since his mother had her
> thesis on this subject. So, I am making this call to let you know how
> upset both of us â€" President Obama and I â€" at your continued effort to
> demonise Dr. Yunus.
>
> Prime Minister replied, Madame Secretary, I hope you are aware that it
> is not us who brought up this issue. Norway is the first to complain
> about Dr. Yunus’ misplaced fund. After all, this is our domestic issue
> and Madame Secretary we will do it as per our own rules and
> regulations.
>
> Comment: It is well known that Dr Yunus has a close relationship with
> Clinton family. Also known to some is that Bill Clinton had put his
> efforts to secure a Nobel Prize for Dr Yunus. What has now been
> revealed by this tele-talk is current President Obama is also a fan of
> Dr Yunus and Obama’s mother had written a thesis on micro-credit
> finance. Note that, Prime Minister blamed Norway’s initiative. But she
> did not say Norway had investigated and cleared Dr Yunus before
> awarding him Nobel Prize. Neither did the Prime Minister say that the
> prime drive of the documentary telecast in a Norwegian television was
> to criticise the concept of micro-credit. Although, Prime Minister did
> not mention these, clearly Secretary was aware of the real position.
>
> Seven: After this, Secretary said, Madame Prime Minister, I thought I
> would not have to go that far. But, unfortunately, I was wrong. I hope
> you know as much we know, how your government came to power. Don’t
> forget that we helped you by congratulating you after the election
> terming it as a free and fair. You know Prime Minister, how this
> election result was pre-arranged at the behest of our good friends in
> New Delhi. We acted the way they suggested us. And please don’t forget
> that Gen. Moeen, who brought you to power, now in the USA and perhaps,
> we now know, more than you could possibly imagine. Prime Minister, I
> am not saying that we will disown you so soon. I am just trying to
> place issues in the order of history demands it.
>
> At this point, Prime Minister tried to change the subject and said,
> Madame Secretary we are aware of your support and assistance. We will
> do all we can to keep you happy. Don’t worry. We noted your point. Now
> let me know when you are coming to visit my country.
>
> Secretary replied, Thanks for the invitations, Madame Prime Minister.
> I thank you for your time.
>
> Prime Minister said, Madame Secretary, please bring President Clinton
> and your daughter and son in law.
>
> Hilary hangs up on the other side …
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> Comment: It was generally understood that Awami League had won the
> last election (December 2008) with the help of General Moeen and
> India. But, it was unknown how much support was given by US to Awami
> League.
>
> The two most significant information to emerge from Hillaryleak are:
> a. the results of the elections were pre-arranged, and
> b. US had supported this.
>
> So, this then was the main points of Hillaryleak. Those who are saying
> that this is not reliable are arguing that the full identity of the
> source is not known and the language of the Secretary is not
> befitting.
>
> First, consider the source. It was published in Facebook on 16 January
> 2011 at 10:28 am by Hidden Truth. Obviously, people behind Hidden
> Truth did not wish to take risks like that of Julian Assange and
> refrained from publishing their real identity.
>
> Note the date and time of the publication.
>
> Prime Minister’s Press Secretary Abul Kalam Azad in a press statement
> said, Secretary had telephoned Prime Minister on Saturday 15 January
> 2011 at 9:30 am (BST). It was then 8:30 pm in Washington DC on Friday
> 14 January 2011, After this tele-talk, the transcript was published in
> US on Sunday 16 January at 10:28 am Washington DC time. In other
> words, in US, people concerned, had 36 hours to take action on Mr
> Azad’s statement. Clearly, concerned people in US were deeply annoyed
> because something quite opposite regarding the tele-talk had been
> stated by Mr Azad. He claimed Secretary of State had praised the Prime
> Minister and had promised to act jointly on different issues.
>
> Perhaps that is why, someone in US, who was informed and concerned,
> disclosed the text of tele-talk in the Facebook.
>
> Regarding the Secretary’s language, anybody who had been listening to
> her regularly, will know, terms such as, absolutely, honestly,
> conduit, demonise, let me come to the core point, are typically hers.
> She also called Clinton as President Clinton. Because, once elected
> President of US, he is always called President. The Secretary knows
> this. She also knows that President Obama’s mother had written a
> thesis on micro-credit financing. Not many people (American or
> Bangladeshi) would have known this.
>
> And, Prime Minister’s language is also typically hers. Note that how
> she repeats, I understand I understand, thank you thank you, please
> listen please listen.
>
> Actually, Bangladeshis already know about the close relationship of
> Awami League with India and that India has been assisting the
> government on many issues.
>
> Hillaryleak has merely confirmed what was widely known. So, why
> hesitate to accept it as true? Why be reluctant to accept that the
> 2008 election results were pre-arranged?
>
> We should understand that, that is why Sheikh Hasina after returning
> from US in November 2008, decided to contest in the December election,
> but did hardly do any election campaign. Whilst her rival, BNP
> Chairperson criss-crossed some 10,000 km in two weeks, Sheikh Hasina
> stayed back in Dhaka conducting video conferencing. Sheikh Hasina knew
> strenuous campaign was unnecessary, a pre-arranged win was waiting.
>
> People will judge whether Hillaryleak is true. It is curious that so
> far US has not given any rejoinder on this.
>
> However, if Hillaryleak is true, then we must conclude that, December
> 2008 election did not bring back democracy â€" conspiracy was
> established.
>
> But where does that leave the Election Commission?
>
> Before answering that, let me go back to Art Buchwald. Due to kidney
> failure Buchwald died on 17 January 2007 at age 81.
>
> He wrote his own video obituary which was published the next day by
> The New York Times. It showed Buchwald smiling and saying, “Hi, I’m
> Art Buchwald. I just died”.
>
> Perhaps, after the publication of Hillaryleak, the Election Commission
> may say, “Hi, we’re Election Commission. We just died”.
>
> But, does the Election Commission have the honesty and sense of humour
> like Art Buchwald?
> â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"â€"-
> Shafik Rehman is a writer, editor, TV programme presenter, chartered accountant
>
> http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2011/02/02/from-wikileaks-to-hillaryleak/
>

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