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From: Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr.
Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan
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Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com>; eastsidepc71@gmail.com; Sitangshu
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Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:57:21 AM
Subject: [WideMinds] Identity Crisis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear All,
Those who are supporting Sharmila Bose's unscrupulous article are suffering from
"IDENTITY CRISIS" !
They are either son of a Bihari ( Indian migrant) or Jamat or Muslim League ,
they are burning inside in jealous of pro-liberation forces uprising in
Bangladesh.They are upset seeing their forefather's in "SAFE HOME facing
warcrime trials! They are speechless seeing their DREAMLAND Pakistan's continued
destructions . They don't have any land , they are "Miskeen in Kuwait and Saudi
Land"!!
Respectfully,
Dr. Manik
Atlanta
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From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: wideminds <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; Dr.
Abid Bahar <abidbahar@yahoo.com>; notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com; Nayan Khan
<udarakash08@yahoo.com>; mohiuddin@netzero.net; zoglul@hotmail.co.uk; Bangla
Zindabad <Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>; Sonar Bangladesh
<sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>; serajurrahman@btinternet.com; ovimot
yahoogroups <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>; farhadmazhar@hotmail.com; History islam
<history_islam@yahoogroups.com>; alapon@yahoogroups.com; ezajur
<Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 15, 2011 3:58:20 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali <drmohsinali@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
>To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 3:52 PM
>
>
>Mr. Ezajur,
>
>You have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of
>workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not
>try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge. You are most
>welcome to come to New York and be my guest. If you want I can pay your plane
>ticket, even. Just please read the book, "The Bullets of 1971" of Dr. Nuran Nabi
>of New Jersey where you can get all the answers of your challenges and the
>claims of Sharmila Bose.
>
>Please read my short e-mail again and again. I thought you are a super brain
>man, at least in your postings of the last 10 plus years, which shows that you
>are the number one intellectuals of the Bengalis and in the world. You find
>deficits in every persons postings and thoughts. Your brain chemical is so sharp
>and super quality that your can even visualize how the brains of other persons
>function.
>
>However, I did not say that you were a Razakar. I wrote that when you were
>supporting Sharmila Bose.s book, you were signing with the Pakistanis and
>Razakars, that did not mean that you ware a razakar, You subscribe the ideals
>and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of
>1971. As I wrote before that Sharmila Bose wrote her book based on and referring
>to the accounts of the Pakistani Generals who fought the war to kill the
>Bengalis in 1971. You cannot challenge the number of 6 million jews killed by
>Hilter and cannot compare the killings of jews by Hilter with the Germans killed
>by the American, Brithish, Russia and France in action of war. Similarly, you
>cannot challenge the numbers of 3 million Benaglis killed by the Pakistani
>military and their supporters. You cannot compare the Bengalis killed by the
>Pakistani and their supporters with the Pakistani supporters killed by the
>Freedom Fighters or others in action during the liberation war. These are all
>written in the history. There are thousands of pages of reports stored in the
>archives all over the world about the killings of Bengalis by the Pakistanis and
>their collaborators, You just need to research those documents if you want to
>challenge any information of that time.
>
>You told that you were not around during the liberation war of 1971 that means
>you were not born at that time. So, you were not a razakar and you did not
>witness the liberation war either. You heard or read about the liberation war
>from the Pakistani and razakar side only.. You must be al teast 19 years junior
>to me. Because, I was 19 years old in 1971 and I participated in the liberation
>war and became a thana level commander (Gurudaspur Thana of now Natore District,
>you can check my background). So, I fought for our liberation war and we made
>the history. So, please do not dare to challenge a freedom Fighter Commander
>about the Freedom Fight unless you are real Razakar or Pakistani against whom I
>fought directly.
>
>Please check the movie made on me by BBC, London, UK in 1972, "The Children of
>the Fire"
>
>Also, please read the article written on me published with my picture in The
>Daily Guardian of London, UK on August 14, 1972.
>
>Also please read the article written on me entitled, "The Peace Heros" by Alex
>Brodie of London, published in the Monthly Magazine, The New Internationalist"
>with my pictures in April, 1973.
>
>I think, that should be enough for now.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Dr. Mohsin Ali, New York (Now visiting Bangladesh, May 16, 2011 1:52 AM.
>
>
>--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
>>To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, "wideminds" <WideMinds@yahoogroups.com>, "dahuk"
>><dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Abid Bahar" <abidbahar@yahoo.com>,
>>notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Nayan Khan" <udarakash08@yahoo.com>,
>>mohiuddin@netzero.net, zoglul@hotmail.co.uk, "Bangla Zindabad"
>><Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com>, "Sonar Bangladesh"
>><sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, serajurrahman@btinternet.com, "ovimot
>>yahoogroups" <Ovimot@yahoogroups.com>, farhadmazhar@hotmail.com, "History islam"
>><history_islam@yahoogroups.com>, alapon@yahoogroups.com
>>Cc: "ezajur" <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
>>Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 11:32 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Friends
>>
>>
>>The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely since the
>>BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same "Bhanga"
>>record on and on thousands of days and on. They are trying their best with the
>>connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the so-called self declared
>>Jibis to change the original history of our only pride the great "Mohan mukti
>>Judhdha".
>>
>>
>>By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started believing that
>>the " Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement) was conducted from Faridpur
>>Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from Cantonment jail in Larkana,
>>Pakistan by issuing"CHIRCUT"(???).
>>
>>
>>Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But brother, I
>>doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to accept challenge of
>>truth ???????????
>>
>>
>>Salam and sincere regards.
>>
>>
>>Faruque Alamgir
>>
>>
>>On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people like you and
>>>Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am morally obliged to
>>>take her side against blind party loyalists like you even though she could have
>>>done a much better job and has made mistakes in her approach. I was not around
>>>in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
>>>Lets dance.
>>>I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any venue in
>>>Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including dinner. I
>>>will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and me. I will
>>>come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I will do so.
>>>Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and committee members.
>>>I have the following non negotiable conditions:
>>>1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least 10 must be
>>>children of AL committee members. You must introduce me to each one before the
>>>discussion.
>>>2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in total.
>>>3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice versa.
>>>4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference between
>>>your politics and my politics.
>>>5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a beard.
>>>I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free
>>>discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also try. The
>>>transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by both of us
>>>in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be available for
>>>reproduction without permission from you or me.
>>>Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
>>>I am waiting for your reply.
>>>Ezajur Rahman
>>>Kuwait
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH IS THE STORY
>>>>OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU ARE SIGNING WITH
>>>>THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE
>>>>BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL FACE.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: ezajur Ezajur@...
>>>> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by
>>>>Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
>>>> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ├В
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the dominant post
>>>>war narrative and those who have profited from it.
>>>>
>>>> The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were exterminated. As proven
>>>>by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of deaths by
>>>>successive governments of Bangladesh.
>>>>
>>>> The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is real and that
>>>>those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best. As proven by the
>>>>behaviour of every successive government.
>>>>
>>>> Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the myth and
>>>>privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the behaviour of every
>>>>successive government.
>>>>
>>>> What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything about 1971
>>>>because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and her politics,
>>>>to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule as they see fit.
>>>>Screw them.
>>>>
>>>> The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the ruination of our
>>>>country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and export earnings
>>>>cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And as AL and BNP and
>>>>Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they ignore the future at
>>>>the nation's peril.
>>>>
>>>> If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida
>>>>Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape, murder and
>>>>extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep quiet. There are
>>>>Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
>>>>
>>>> Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to their dead
>>>>leader, their dead father and their dead values.
>>>>
>>>> They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of our country,
>>>>in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our people and our beautiful
>>>>country.
>>>>
>>>> Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is no class war
>>>>in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their knees?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth and may that
>>>>truth embrace the next generation.
>>>>
>>>> To all hypocrites - ├В┬г├В┬г├В┬г├В┬г you!
>>>>
>>>> Ezajur Rahman
>>>>
>>>> Its so loud, inside in my head
>>>> With words that I should have said.
>>>> As I drown in my regrets
>>>> I can't take back
>>>> the words I never said.
>>>> Lupe Fiasco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al Jazeera.net :
>>>>
>>>> > Farida Majid
>>>> >
>>>> > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the `dominant narrative'
>>>>and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971
>>>>Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust the myth of Bangladesh
>>>>war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung around a few instances of
>>>>atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon non-Bengali collaborators of
>>>>Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars
>>>>are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying
>>>>widespread rape and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by Pakistani
>>>>soldiers since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place of each
>>>>sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the well-known incidences
>>>>of crimes against humanity committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern
>>>>arms and ammunition, professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali
>>>>collaborators in 1971. I
>>>> doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed could be
>>>>presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the charges brought
>>>>by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
>>>> >
>>>> > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative' the fuzzier
>>>>gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of the example of Lara
>>>>Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the melee of Tahrir Square in
>>>>Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to what pathetic extent Bose lacks
>>>>sympathy and imagination in assessing the overall reality of people's struggle
>>>>for freedom from oppression. Such struggles in the annals of history are messy,
>>>>never picture-book perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too
>>>>mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against
>>>>oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to
>>>>bust the myth!
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
>>>> >
>>>> > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's so-called
>>>>`research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in 1971 in the
>>>>then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about partisan exaggeration
>>>>and no one in the international community but her could detect the
>>>>"uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from mythologising
>>>>the history of 1971"?
>>>> > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most populous
>>>>nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and independence as a nation?
>>>> >
>>>> > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence from a
>>>>colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from mythologizing
>>>>history." And that would include United States of America.
>>>> > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles fought in the
>>>>American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all mythologised history, and
>>>>hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire need of busting!
>>>> >
>>>> > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan at a radio
>>>>interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in March, 1971 in East
>>>>Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will eat out of our
>>>>hands!" The number ├втВм"3 million ├втВм" is immaterial, though admittedly there
>>>>is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is legally relevant
>>>>here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by
>>>>Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war crimes of
>>>>1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and personal
>>>>encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up with
>>>>accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting fierce
>>>>anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed, unthreatening
>>>>civilians. Such activities were regarded as reprehensive by even the soldiers
>>>>who carried out the orders because they violated the rules and norms of
>>>>engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over the years by various
>>>>Pakistani army personnel including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are
>>>>all replete with quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the
>>>>Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the
>>>>Pakistani army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole race of
>>>>Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
>>>> >
>>>> > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N. Convetion:
>>>> >
>>>> > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For
>>>>full text click here)
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following
>>>>acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national,
>>>>ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > (a) Killing members of the group;
>>>> > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
>>>> > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to
>>>>bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
>>>>
>>>> > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
>>>> > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
>>>> >
>>>> > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
>>>> >
>>>> > (a) Genocide;
>>>> > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
>>>> > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
>>>> > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
>>>> > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
>>>> >
>>>> > Salutes!
>>>> >
>>>> > Farida Majid
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>