One thing I must appreciate about Mr. Ejazur is his quick response.
Junaid
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
> The joke of the year award is that I and Dr Mohsin Ali may have a debate in NY on the politics of Bangladesh? I suggest this does not require imagination but a certain 'in the field mentality'.
>
> What does require imagination is comparing Dr Mohsin Ali to Clinton or Obama :) I would not dare to debate those two brilliant minds.
>
> I must appreciate Junaid's light banter. Thanks Junaid. Keep it light. Cheers!
>
>
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" junaid.sultan@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wah! Wah! Ghazab kar dia mere dost
> >
> > In seems we are in contest for joke of the year award. I must appreciate
> > the person who is challenging. I must appreciate his height of
> > imagination. I must appreciate fertility of his brain. However, I
> > don't think that is the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama
> > are in the line also. The gentleman may visit Washington when he is
> > visiting New York all the way from Kuwait. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama,
> > are you ready for the challenge?
> >
> > To person who is seconding this challenge, again I will use my very
> > little knowledge of Urdu language by saying "Khawaja ka gawah
> > daddu."
> >
> > Keep the good work. You are on right track.
> >
> > Junaid
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends
> > >
> > > The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely
> > since
> > > the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same
> > > "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of days and on. They are trying
> > their
> > > best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the
> > so-called
> > > self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride
> > > the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha".
> > >
> > > By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started
> > believing
> > > that the *" Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement)* was
> > conducted
> > > from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from
> > Cantonment
> > > jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing* "CHIRCUT"(???)*.
> > >
> > > Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But
> > > brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to
> > accept
> > > challenge of truth ???????????
> > >
> > > Salam and sincere regards.
> > >
> > > Faruque Alamgir
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people
> > like
> > > > you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am
> > morally
> > > > obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even
> > though
> > > > she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her
> > approach.
> > > > I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> > > >
> > > > Lets dance.
> > > >
> > > > I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any
> > venue in
> > > > Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including
> > dinner. I
> > > > will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and
> > me. I will
> > > > come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I
> > will do
> > > > so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and
> > committee
> > > > members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least
> > > > 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me
> > to each
> > > > one before the discussion.
> > > >
> > > > 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in
> > total.
> > > >
> > > > 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice
> > versa.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference
> > > > between your politics and my politics.
> > > >
> > > > 5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a
> > beard.
> > > >
> > > > I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free
> > > > discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also
> > try. The
> > > > transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by
> > both of
> > > > us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be
> > available for
> > > > reproduction without permission from you or me.
> > > >
> > > > Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> > > >
> > > > I am waiting for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > >
> > > > Kuwait
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" drmohsinali@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH
> > IS THE
> > > > STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU
> > ARE
> > > > SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER
> > LIKED
> > > > SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL
> > FACE.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh
> > war of
> > > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the
> > dominant
> > > > post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were
> > exterminated. As
> > > > proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of
> > deaths
> > > > by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > > > >
> > > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is
> > real and
> > > > that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best.
> > As
> > > > proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the
> > myth and
> > > > privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the
> > behaviour of
> > > > every successive government.
> > > > >
> > > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything
> > about 1971
> > > > because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and
> > her
> > > > politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule
> > as they
> > > > see fit. Screw them.
> > > > >
> > > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the
> > ruination of
> > > > our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and
> > export
> > > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And
> > as AL and
> > > > BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they
> > ignore
> > > > the future at the nation's peril.
> > > > >
> > > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do,
> > the
> > > > Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape,
> > murder
> > > > and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep
> > quiet.
> > > > There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to
> > their
> > > > dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > > > >
> > > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of
> > our
> > > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our
> > people and
> > > > our beautiful country.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is
> > no class
> > > > war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their
> > knees?
> > > > >
> > > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth
> > and may
> > > > that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > > I can't take back
> > > > > the words I never said.
> > > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> > tml
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al
> > > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the
> > `dominant
> > > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning:
> > Memories of
> > > > the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust
> > the myth
> > > > of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung
> > around
> > > > a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon
> > non-Bengali
> > > > collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel
> > acts of
> > > > retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those
> > acts, or
> > > > her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning
> > the
> > > > occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get
> > figures
> > > > of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been
> > able to
> > > > disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity
> > > > committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and
> > ammunition,
> > > > professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators
> > in 1971.
> > > > I
> > > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed
> > could be
> > > > presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the
> > charges
> > > > brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative'
> > the
> > > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of
> > the
> > > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the
> > melee
> > > > of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to
> > what
> > > > pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the
> > overall
> > > > reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such
> > struggles in
> > > > the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila
> > though
> > > > is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and
> > > > democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She
> > has to
> > > > take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's
> > so-called
> > > > `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in
> > 1971 in
> > > > the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about
> > partisan
> > > > exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could
> > detect
> > > > the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from
> > > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most
> > > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and
> > independence
> > > > as a nation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence
> > from a
> > > > colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from
> > > > mythologizing history." And that would include United States of
> > America.
> > > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles
> > fought in
> > > > the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all
> > mythologised
> > > > history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire
> > need of
> > > > busting!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan
> > at a
> > > > radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in
> > March, 1971
> > > > in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will
> > eat out
> > > > of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial,
> > though admittedly
> > > > there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is
> > legally
> > > > relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent
> > to commit
> > > > genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war
> > crimes
> > > > of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and
> > personal
> > > > encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up
> > with
> > > > accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting
> > fierce
> > > > anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed,
> > > > unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as
> > reprehensive by
> > > > even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated
> > the rules
> > > > and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over
> > the
> > > > years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the
> > infamous
> > > > General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of
> > utter
> > > > racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top
> > brass
> > > > military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a
> > partial
> > > > destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for
> > their
> > > > rebellion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N.
> > Convetion:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of
> > > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of
> > the
> > > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
> > part, a
> > > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the
> > group;
> > > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
> > calculated
> > > > to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the
> > group;
> > > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another
> > group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salutes!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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