The joke of the year award is that I and Dr Mohsin Ali may have a debate in NY on the politics of Bangladesh? I suggest this does not require imagination but a certain 'in the field mentality'.
What does require imagination is comparing Dr Mohsin Ali to Clinton or Obama :) I would not dare to debate those two brilliant minds.
I must appreciate Junaid's light banter. Thanks Junaid. Keep it light. Cheers!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Wah! Wah! Ghazab kar dia mere dost
>
> In seems we are in contest for joke of the year award. I must appreciate
> the person who is challenging. I must appreciate his height of
> imagination. I must appreciate fertility of his brain. However, I
> don't think that is the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama
> are in the line also. The gentleman may visit Washington when he is
> visiting New York all the way from Kuwait. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama,
> are you ready for the challenge?
>
> To person who is seconding this challenge, again I will use my very
> little knowledge of Urdu language by saying "Khawaja ka gawah
> daddu."
>
> Keep the good work. You are on right track.
>
> Junaid
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Friends
> >
> > The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely
> since
> > the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same
> > "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of days and on. They are trying
> their
> > best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the
> so-called
> > self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride
> > the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha".
> >
> > By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started
> believing
> > that the *" Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement)* was
> conducted
> > from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from
> Cantonment
> > jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing* "CHIRCUT"(???)*.
> >
> > Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But
> > brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to
> accept
> > challenge of truth ???????????
> >
> > Salam and sincere regards.
> >
> > Faruque Alamgir
> >
> > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people
> like
> > > you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am
> morally
> > > obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even
> though
> > > she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her
> approach.
> > > I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> > >
> > > Lets dance.
> > >
> > > I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any
> venue in
> > > Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including
> dinner. I
> > > will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and
> me. I will
> > > come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I
> will do
> > > so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and
> committee
> > > members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> > >
> > > 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least
> > > 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me
> to each
> > > one before the discussion.
> > >
> > > 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in
> total.
> > >
> > > 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice
> versa.
> > >
> > > 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference
> > > between your politics and my politics.
> > >
> > > 5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a
> beard.
> > >
> > > I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free
> > > discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also
> try. The
> > > transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by
> both of
> > > us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be
> available for
> > > reproduction without permission from you or me.
> > >
> > > Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> > >
> > > I am waiting for your reply.
> > >
> > > Ezajur Rahman
> > >
> > > Kuwait
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" drmohsinali@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH
> IS THE
> > > STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU
> ARE
> > > SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER
> LIKED
> > > SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL
> FACE.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh
> war of
> > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the
> dominant
> > > post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
> > > >
> > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were
> exterminated. As
> > > proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of
> deaths
> > > by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is
> real and
> > > that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best.
> As
> > > proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > > >
> > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the
> myth and
> > > privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the
> behaviour of
> > > every successive government.
> > > >
> > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything
> about 1971
> > > because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and
> her
> > > politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule
> as they
> > > see fit. Screw them.
> > > >
> > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the
> ruination of
> > > our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and
> export
> > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And
> as AL and
> > > BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they
> ignore
> > > the future at the nation's peril.
> > > >
> > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do,
> the
> > > Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape,
> murder
> > > and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep
> quiet.
> > > There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > >
> > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to
> their
> > > dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > > >
> > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of
> our
> > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our
> people and
> > > our beautiful country.
> > > >
> > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is
> no class
> > > war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their
> knees?
> > > >
> > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth
> and may
> > > that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > >
> > > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > > >
> > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > >
> > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > I can't take back
> > > > the words I never said.
> > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> tml
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al
> > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > >
> > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the
> `dominant
> > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning:
> Memories of
> > > the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust
> the myth
> > > of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung
> around
> > > a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon
> non-Bengali
> > > collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel
> acts of
> > > retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those
> acts, or
> > > her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning
> the
> > > occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get
> figures
> > > of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been
> able to
> > > disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity
> > > committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and
> ammunition,
> > > professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators
> in 1971.
> > > I
> > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed
> could be
> > > presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the
> charges
> > > brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > >
> > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative'
> the
> > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of
> the
> > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the
> melee
> > > of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to
> what
> > > pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the
> overall
> > > reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such
> struggles in
> > > the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila
> though
> > > is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and
> > > democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She
> has to
> > > take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's
> so-called
> > > `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in
> 1971 in
> > > the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about
> partisan
> > > exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could
> detect
> > > the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from
> > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most
> > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and
> independence
> > > as a nation?
> > > > >
> > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence
> from a
> > > colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from
> > > mythologizing history." And that would include United States of
> America.
> > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles
> fought in
> > > the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all
> mythologised
> > > history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire
> need of
> > > busting!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan
> at a
> > > radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in
> March, 1971
> > > in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will
> eat out
> > > of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial,
> though admittedly
> > > there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is
> legally
> > > relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent
> to commit
> > > genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > >
> > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war
> crimes
> > > of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and
> personal
> > > encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up
> with
> > > accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting
> fierce
> > > anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed,
> > > unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as
> reprehensive by
> > > even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated
> the rules
> > > and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over
> the
> > > years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the
> infamous
> > > General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of
> utter
> > > racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top
> brass
> > > military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a
> partial
> > > destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for
> their
> > > rebellion.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N.
> Convetion:
> > > > >
> > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of
> > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of
> the
> > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
> part, a
> > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > >
> > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the
> group;
> > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
> calculated
> > > to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the
> group;
> > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another
> group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > >
> > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Salutes!
> > > > >
> > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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