Mr. Ezajur, Your last e-mail to me is very sober and polite. I thank you and appreciate for that. I thank you for wishing good words for my son. In fact, my son and daughters not only learnt history of Bangladesh liberation war from me, they are smart enough to search on the internet and study the accounts of both sides and they are capable to make their own conclusions. The 3 million shaheeds and Pakistani Genocide against the Bengalis are the historical facts and we cannot change those facts. Some people like Sharmila Bose and you have been debating for years siding with the Pakistanis and such debate will contnue by some people for millions of years and that is fine. I have no problem with that. Unless you talk from the Bengali point of view or I talk from Pakistani point of view, we will never come to agree with each other on these facts which are already written in the history of the Bangladesh liberation war. Maybe, Sharmila Bose, Pakistani Generals and you can try to write the histoty about how the Pakistan was Broken in 1971 with your documents of facts. Please review your e-mails of the last 10 plus years and you will find how you and those who responded supporting your email rebuked me using all the bad words, such as: BAL psychophant, rock-headed, Indian razakar, Indian/Hindu Pachata, fake doctorate, 16 division, etct, etc., and there were many other bad words that I cannot even read and write. Just read the e-mail of Faruk Husseini. Can you read it as a gentleman. Did you ever protest? Or, you are enjoying those nasty words throwing at me? But I tried to rentraint myself from using any harsh or bad words when I responded to you. This is the first time, I have used the words such as Pakistani psychophant and razakar Pakistani supporter for you, because, you have chosen yourself to be siding with the Sharmila Bose story and Pakistani Generals' accounts of our liberation history and crying for the few biharis who were killed in action of war or in some isolated incidents and you are questioning about the NUMBER of Bengalis killed by the Pakistani. I still believe, you are a conscious Bengali and not a Pakistani supporter. But it surprises me when I read that the basis of your arguments are the Sharmila Bose book and Pakistani Generals' stories and you are defending them. I believe, I shall find you a decent man and you will find ma decent man , too when we see each other. In New York, we always have verbal fights with the BNP/Jamat supporters, but we always maintain our good personal friendship. One thing I always say or write that if some one questions about our spirit of our liberation war, as a freedom fighter, I break my emotion. When I remember Aasia Begum of Moshinda Village of Gurudaspur Thana, who was raped and killed brutally along with her husband and hanged on the tree nacked by the Razakars because they sheltered and fed the freedom fighters; when Jodu Fakir of Lalpur, a poor beggar who lost his one leg at early age and used to walk with a baton, was burnt into ashes in his small hut because he sheltered and fed the freedom fighters, Alea Khatun, a 10th grade student, who saved the life of a freedom fighter by telling lie to the razakars in the middle of the night that the boy who was sleeping at their home, was not a freedom fighter but her husband and when the razakars came to know next day that she lied to save a freedom fighter, they took the girl and her mother to the camp and raped them for months and killed them in Lalpur Thana; when I remember that Kanchu Muktar (Peace Committee Chairman of Natore) and Major Sherwani, Pak Army Commander used to kill a freedom fighter or a supporter of freedom every morning before they used take breakfast and when Bihari Hafez gave the fatwa that giving bengali girls and young women for the pleasure of the Pakistani soldiers who were away from their families to save Islam and Pakistan was Farz for every Muslim; when I remember that when I was hanged with the ceiling fan and was beaten mercilessly and pied on my mouth by the razakars and my fellow freedom fighters found me half dead when they occupied the razakar camp in a counter attack, I cannot stop my emotion. My dear friend Ezajur, I can cite hundreds of such attrocities of the Pakistanis and the razakars. You need to read my books written on the liberation war (already 6 books published (Ranagini Aasia Khala, Bicchu Kannya, Je Bangladesher Juddhey, Swadhinota Sangrame Bicchu Senani, Harano Fhul and Prem-O-Deshoprem) and 2 (Ekti Phulke Banchabo Bole and Joy Bangla - are going to be published in this year). You did not witness the actual attrocities of the Pakistanis and the razakars. You have heard and read. So, your feelings and understanding will not match with mine. Ms. Bose did not know the pains of the women who were raped, tortured and brutally killed. She cannot even feel or imagine the situation. However, If you want to discuss or debate about the performance, failures and wrong doings of Awami League Government, that's fine with me. I most fervently welcome you. I support Awami League, but I am not a part of the AL Government. I am and was never in any Government position. So, I have no way to abuse my position or power as I have no position or power. There is nothing to find my real face. My face is one and clear, my identity is clear. I never hide my identity. I always give my Bangladesh and US address when I write and addresses are needed. I am a supporter of Awami League since I967 and I shall continue to be an Awami League supporter for rest of my life, it does not matter how badly you criticize Awami League. I do not change my political identity for opportunities. When Awami League does bad I share it. I accept the criticism. But I cannot change as I am not in a position to change except giving some suggestions when I meet any AL leader and that I do that always. Some people (especially Probashi, qar and Alochok Bhai) criticized me in your support. I appreciate that. But I tell them that why you are hiding your identities? You did not witness or were not the victims of the attrocities of the Pakistani and razakars. You do not feel the pains and get the emotion like I do. Alochok Bhai wrote that his teachers were freedom fighters. I salute them. I request Alochok Bhai to present them the book written by Ms. Sharmila Bose and give them the e-mails that Mr. Ezajur wrote to me and then find their reactions. Then you come back and criticize my reaction or emotion. Please give me the mobile numbers of your freedom fighter teachers or give them my mobile number. We can talk and share our pains and emotion. I can raise the contents of Ms. Bose book and Mr. Ezajur's e-mails. You can find their reactions. JOY BANGLA. Mobile: 88-01712001625 Bangladesh until first week of June, 2011 Cell: 1 (631) 682- 6612 New York after first week of June, 2011).
--- On Tue, 5/17/11, ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 5:36 AM
Thank you for your reply. As a sign of respect for your age and heroism in 1971 I shall ignore you describing me as favouring Pakistan, a Jamaati, having a rajakar guru, favouring the Pakistani military, favouring rape, learning through Pakistani eyes, being a Pakistani sycophant, wanting to kill the Prime Minister and various other descriptions so typical of the political discourse that you have helped to build. I am sympathetic to your name calling because you have no other alternative but I assure you that you will find me a most affable and friendly fellow. I am pleased that your son is a medical student in the US . InshAllah he will be a great doctor one day. No need to bet that he knows more than me about 1971 – I am sure he does. But I am sure that as he matures he will also ask more questions about everything without diminishing his noble father in anyway. I am also sure that as he gets to know the political culture of Bangladesh he will require it to be reformed, again without diminishing his noble father any form. You are a patriot. I am too. Our differing opinions should not prevent us from wishing the next generation well and hoping that our country is blessed by their contributions. Thank you for the offer of your conference room but I must respectfully decline. Cost in not an issue for you or for me. If we do meet I assure you it will be in a venue fit for a war hero and I shall bear the cost as a humble token of my respect for your service in 1971. Sharmila Bose may well have failed to present her case in a room full of your friends. I have no doubt you presented her, in a friendly fashion, with information new to her. I hope she absorbs your presentation and revisits her opinions. By the same token, I hope the fact that she dared at all to question the number of victims in 1971 will prompt you to look into how the number 3 million is substantiated in front of those who cannot demonstrate their patriotism as you so ably did in 1971. The evidence may well be there but it has not been convincingly collated in one place. Certainly the country can do a better job of substantiating the number. I sided with Sharrmila not because she got her numbers right but because she dared at all to question the number and because she offended the political classes, and those who silently support them – people who don't complain about injustice or corruption perpetrated by their own party. Your calculation by village is mathematically correct and may serve as a guide. But, respectfully, it cannot be sufficient. Justice and history require a better performance at State level. We should have a commission to investigate the murders. A commission of experts should formally call witnesses, search for mass graves and investigate all evidence presented. It should call from Pakistan soldiers to be questioned. No harm, only good, great good can come of this. Two years ago the government announced it would search for mass graves. It has failed to adequately do so. We should have a memorial built at the largest mass graves. Come now Dr Mohsin. Just because I work in Kuwait does not mean I subscribe to the ethos here. I do not. Neither do the millions of our countrymen who work in the Middle East on the lowest wages. I rather subscribe to the ethos of the country you live in. And in fact, it is the democracy practiced in the West that fuels my discontent with the democracy practiced in our country. Which brings us neatly to our politics. And on our politics I stand full squarely against you and every man who is a paid up supporter of AL or BNP. The reality of Bangladeshi politics is this: The electorate can only vote for who is on the ballot. It is the cabals that control AL and BNP who guarantee dynastic politics and who decide who gets on the ballot. If AL nominates a cow and BNP nominates a goat then a cow or a goat will be MP and the public has no real say. Every politician when pushed will in private hold the electorate entirely responsible for our condition. Indeed men like Dr Fakhruddin, Kamal Hossain, Dr Yunus (and perhaps B Chowdhury) have failed because these cabals would not compromise on dynastic politics. It is the cabals, including their silent supporters, that require dynastic politics – not the public. And from this stems every undemocratic practice, and related corruption, in the country. The AL and BNP of today are incapable of cohesive action on an ethical agenda without vicious infighting and corruption. The only thing that can hold these two parties together is that they cannot argue about one fact – that the Nethri is a relative of the Sheikh Mujib or Ziaur Rahman. It is a pathetic failure which keeps our country steeped in immaturity and ignorance. Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia are poorly advised and victims of the worst aspects of our nature. And the greatest virtue of our people is also the greatest weakness of our people – an almost unlimited capacity to tolerate injustice and suffering (bar 1971). Sheikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman will not be happy with the way their parties have used their family members. I may fail bitterly in this challenge to you. But if I do fail then hopefully I may learn many things from you and you may also learn a thing or two from me. We both have the best of intentions I am sure. Regards Ezajur Rahman Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" <drmohsinali@...> wrote:
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> Mr. Ezajur,
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> I never refused for the debate, that's why I asked you to be my guest and I offered your plane ticket. I fought against your Razakar Guru and your favourite Pakistani rapist military to save your and ours mothers, sisters and the people. I am not shy for any debate. But my any worker can answer your all questions. Even my son, a medical student in New York (born in America) can face your debate. I bet, he knows much more better than you about the Bangladesh liberation History being a proud son of a freedom fighter. Because, your learning is through the Pakistani eyes which is not the Bangladesh liberation history. But no doubt, I shall be present and will give you all sorts of protection and I shall surely speak there, too.
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> Your debate proposal looks like a Street debate. I have a conference room in my own office in Jamaica, Queens, New York, where 300 people  can sit. I shall offer my space for the debate at free of cost.
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> You need to write a book like Sharmila Bose to have a debate. So, bring your own book and we can have debate on that like Sharmila had her book on debate in Washington, DC where many of my friends went and debated about the authenticity of her book and the reality of the ground during 1971 liberation war. Obviously, Ms. Bose failed to answer and was embarrased and speechless at the debate. So, the issues you are raising siding with Ms. Bose were already debated.
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> If your problem is with the number of 3 million people killed by the Pakistanis and razakars during our liberation war, then just calculate: There were 68,000 villages, 64 Subdivisional (now district) cities, 17 Districts including the big cities like Dhaka, Chittagong, Khulna, Rajshahi, Sylhet, Jessore, Comilla and more. There were cantonments, police lines, and EPR camps. People were killed in all these places. People were also killed and died during mass exodus to India where 10 million people took shelter. Thousands died at the refugee camps, too. If in average, 44 people were killed in each village, then you get the 3 million figures. But, at least half of the 3 million people were killed in the cities and urban areas. So, we came down to 22 people were killed in each village. In addition, people were killed and died on way to India, at the refugee camps and at the war fronts. We witnessed more than 22 people were killed in each village in average
> during the 9 month war. So, there should not be any questions or confusions about the 3 million figures.
> Â
> You have claimed to be a Pakistani/Razakar supporter. There is no amount of arguments that can change your mind, understanding and believes. Your only wish is to kill Sheikh Hasina. Did you check the politics of the country where you are living? Can you tell anything against the Amir/Sultan of Kuwait? How many people are being killed by the dynasty/regimes of Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Bahrain, Sudan and even in Saudi Arabia? Bangladesh is much more better than your Pakistan and other Muslim countries. Dynasty in Bangladesh is changing every five years either by peoples vote or by military. No one is ruling Bangladesh for 30 to 40 years. So, if you want  to change anything, then first start from your home country which is Kuwait and the neighboing countries. You can also join Jamat in Bangladesh and start changing the dynasty here.
> Â
> Many supermen like Dr. Fakruddin and Dr. Yunus tried but failed. Ershad, Nizami, Dr. Kamal Hossain, Dr. B. Chowdhury, Col. Oli, all leftists have failed, too. Bangladesh people some how do not like any superman but the two ladies who are representing 2 dynasties. That is the reality of the Bangladesg politics now. So, just don't blame only Sheikh Hasina as you being a Pakistani psychophant.
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> Â You were either a baby or not born when I fought your Razakar Guru and Pakistani munibs. What I can debate with you?
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> Please bring Gen. Niazi, Go Azam and Nizami to have a debate with me.
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> Dr. Mohsin Ali.
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> --- On Mon, 5/16/11, ezajur Ezajur@... wrote:
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> From: ezajur Ezajur@...
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 6:32 AM
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> Dear Dr Mohsin Ali
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> You have refused the challenge on the subjects I mentioned. Please don't refer me to your hundreds of workers. I know the `worker' type. I challenged you fairly.
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> Thank you for inviting me to NY and offering me a plane ticket. However as I am coming anyway I must refuse. Don't be surprised â€" I'm just not from the political culture you are used to. Save the money for treating the next AL MP to visit the Big Apple. However you can, if you wish, use the plane ticket money to pay for the venue and dinner. Â
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> Yes, I can visualize how your brain functions. Don't be offended. You should be able to visualize how my brain works.
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> I find deficit in anyone who is a Nethrist and who subscribes to the Nethri system.
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> "You subscribe the ideals and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of 1971." I am therefore, in effect, a rajakar to you. Your argument is valid even though I was not around in 1971. If indeed I do subscribe to such ideals.
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> Sharmilla Bose is entitled to question Pakistani Generals and write their account. She, and those Generals, don't care a whit about Bangladesh thinks. Such is their nature. And such is the Bangladesh that has been built.
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> I agree that we cannot compare the deaths caused in a defensive action with those deaths caused in a hostile action. That does not mean that atrocities committed by defenders are irrelevant. That does not mean that defenders should not measure their losses. And that certainly does not mean that numbers are used to prop up a rotten political system. Â Â Â Â
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> And you are rather selective in comparing us with the likes of the US , UK , Germany etc. They at least count their losses and don't use their dead for political purposes decades after the war is over.
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> There are many Bangladeshis, in NY too, who are anti Jewish and question whether 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. I am not one of them because I believe that the 6 million number has been adequately substantiated â€" their names and bones and graveyards exist.
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> I do not need to be lectured on how to respect my elders or how to respect a true freedom fighter â€" you are both. But this is not about your credibility or your position. This is about our country. If I am aggressive it is only because I see you as an integral part of the status quo politics.
> Â
> You have not built the country, or political culture, since 1971, irrespective of obstacles, which would oblige me to bow your medal or wound in 2011. I wish it was not the case. I wish you built an AL that I could join. I wish you built a country that would force me to kneel before you. But you couldn't or wouldn't. Instead you have built a cult of personality, crushed dissent, prevented reform and turned integrity into a weakness.
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> Mujib was a great man in 1971. But I don't want to be like the people who praise him for political gain in 2011. And I am not alone.
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> You are a 1971 freedom fighter who is shaping AL in 2011. You think I can't challenge you on 1971 when 1971 is the very basis on which you claim your stake as a leading Nethrist and supporter of the Nethrist system? I can challenge you. I will and I do.
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> You did a great job in 1971 and you are doing a lousy job in 2011.
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> Just make sure you understand the subject of the debate precisely. My opening sentence will be independence was necessary, Mujib was great, Pakistanis were rotten, genocide happened, Dr Mohsin Ali is a great freedom fighter. I don't want you lost for words thereafter.
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> The challenge still stands. You may pay for the venue and dinner if you wish. My other terms stay the same.
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> You are free to laugh at me. You have earned the right. I have no right to laugh at you. You are far too serious an obstacle to progress.
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> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" drmohsinali@ wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Ezajur,
> > ÂÂ
> > You have made me laugh. I do not need to take your challenge. I have hundreds of workers in New York and any one of them can take your challenge. Please do not try to be proud and make me fool by throwing a silly challenge. You are most welcome to come to New York and be my guest. If you want I can pay your plane ticket, even. Just please read the book, "The Bullets of 1971" of Dr. Nuran Nabi of New Jersey where you can get all the answers of your challenges and the claims of Sharmila Bose.
> > ÂÂ
> > Please read my short e-mail again and again. I thought you are a super brain man, at least in your postings of the last 10 plus years, which shows that you are the number one intellectuals of the Bengalis and in the world. You find deficits in every persons postings and thoughts. Your brain chemical is so sharp and super quality that your can even visualize how the brains of other persons function.
> > ÂÂ
> > However, I did not say that you were a Razakar. I wrote that when you were supporting Sharmila Bose.s book, you were signing with the Pakistanis and Razakars, that did not mean that you ware a razakar, You subscribe the ideals and deeds of the Pakistanis and the Razakars regarding our Liberation war of 1971. As I wrote before that Sharmila Bose wrote her book based on and referring to the accounts of the Pakistani Generals who fought the war to kill the Bengalis in 1971. You cannot challenge the number of 6 million jews killed by Hilter and cannot compare the killings of jews by Hilter with the Germans killed by the American, Brithish, Russia and France in action of war. Similarly, you cannot challenge the numbers of 3 million Benaglis killed by the Pakistani military and their supporters. You cannot compare the Bengalis killed by the Pakistani and their supporters with the Pakistani supporters killed by the Freedom Fighters or others in action
> during
> > the liberation war. These are all written in the history. There are thousands of pages of reports stored in the archives all over the world about the killings of Bengalis by the Pakistanis and their collaborators, You just need to research those documents if you want to challenge any information of that time.
> > ÂÂ
> > You told that you were not around during the liberation war of 1971 that means you were not born at that time. So, you were not a razakar and you did not witness the liberation war either. You heard or read about the liberation war from the Pakistani and razakar side only.. You must be al teast 19 years junior to me. Because, I was 19 years old in 1971 and I participated in the liberation war and became a thana level commander (Gurudaspur Thana of now Natore District, you can check my background). So, I fought for our liberation war and we made the history. So, please do not dare to challenge a freedom Fighter Commander about the Freedom Fight unless you are real Razakar or Pakistani against whom I fought directly.
> > ÂÂ
> > Please check the movie made on me by BBC, London, UK in 1972, "The Children of the Fire"
> > ÂÂ
> > Also, please read the article written on me published with my picture in The Daily Guardian of London, UK on August 14, 1972.
> > ÂÂ
> > Also please read the article written on me entitled, "The Peace Heros" by Alex Brodie of London, published in the Monthly Magazine, The New Internationalist" with my pictures in April, 1973.
> > ÂÂ
> > I think, that should be enough for now.
> > ÂÂ
> > Thank you.
> > ÂÂ
> > Dr. Mohsin Ali, New York (Now visiting Bangladesh, May 16, 2011 1:52 AM.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Faruque Alamgir faruquealamgir@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Faruque Alamgir faruquealamgir@
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, "wideminds" WideMinds@yahoogroups.com, "dahuk" dahuk@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Abid Bahar" abidbahar@, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Nayan Khan" udarakash08@, mohiuddin@, zoglul@, "Bangla Zindabad" Bangladesh-Zindabad@yahoogroups.com, "Sonar Bangladesh" sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, serajurrahman@, "ovimot yahoogroups" Ovimot@yahoogroups.com, farhadmazhar@, "History islam" history_islam@yahoogroups.com, alapon@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: "ezajur" Ezajur@
> > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 11:32 AM
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> > Friends
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> > The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also timely since the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the same "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of  days and on. They are trying their best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the so-called self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only pride the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha".ÂÂ
> >
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> > By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started believing that the " Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement) was conducted from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from Cantonment jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing "CHIRCUT"(???).
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> > Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth. But brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage to accept challenge of truth ???????????
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> > Salam and sincere regards.
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> > Faruque Alamgir
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> > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
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> > I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of people like you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such I am morally obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you even though she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in her approach. I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> > Lets dance.
> > I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve any venue in Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people including dinner. I will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you and me. I will come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend I will do so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors and committee members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> > 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At least 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce me to each one before the discussion.
> > 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours in total.
> > 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And vice versa.
> > 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the difference between your politics and my politics.
> > 5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he has a beard.
> > I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a free discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also try. The transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary agreed by both of us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be available for reproduction without permission from you or me.
> > Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> > I am waiting for your reply.
> > Ezajur Rahman
> > Kuwait
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> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali" drmohsinali@ wrote:
> > >
> > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE WHICH IS THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR. YOU ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR REAL FACE.
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > >
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> > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the dominant post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
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> > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the number of deaths by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > >
> > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971 is real and that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > >
> > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted the myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > >
> > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything about 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her and her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and rule as they see fit. Screw them.
> > >
> > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the ruination of our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and export earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better. And as AL and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence they ignore the future at the nation's peril.
> > >
> > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > >
> > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true to their dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > >
> > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil of our country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our people and our beautiful country.
> > >
> > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there is no class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend their knees?
> > >
> > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the truth and may that truth embrace the next generation.
> > >
> > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > >
> > > Ezajur Rahman
> > >
> > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > With words that I should have said.
> > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > I can't take back
> > > the words I never said.
> > > Lupe Fiasco
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> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@ wrote:
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> > > > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html
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> > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in Al Jazeera.net :
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> > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the `dominant narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to bust the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971.
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> > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has unearthed could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
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> > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant narrative' the fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing of the example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in the melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows to what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
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> > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
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> > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
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> > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about partisan exaggeration and no one in the international community but her could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
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> > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long from mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth most populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and independence as a nation?
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> > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for independence from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from mythologizing history." And that would include United States of America.
> > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles fought in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in dire need of busting!
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> > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya Khan at a radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
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> > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the war crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and personal encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al, exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they violated the rules and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out over the years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
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> > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N. Convetion:
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> > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
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> > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
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> > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
> > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
> > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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> > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
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> > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
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> > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
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> > > > Salutes!
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> > > > Farida Majid
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