So just because in your view I am a minority it means that what I am saying has no credibilty. I am proud to be a degenerate in your eyes. Its is a badge of faith that I wear proudly.
BTW the mass murderer Hitler also had popularity, even won elections and whose political tactics your mentor the "Great" Maulana M was so enthralled with. Also can I ask why the Great One Maulana M if he was so against western philosophy come to seek regular medical treatment in the land of the Great Satan.
Please Mr. Ex Secretary with self proclaimed achievements try a little harder!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: S A Hannan
Sent: Nov 22, 2011 7:40 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] RE: [Diagnose] Fw: Jamat-i-Islami on trial : As seen in Pakistan--false one sided propaganda
Except you (Robin Khondaker sahib) and people like you in Bangladesh, some in Pakistan, hardly any body in the Muslim world thinks bad of Jamaate Islami .
Shah Abdul Hannan
From:
alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Robin Khundkar
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:28 PM
To:alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] RE: [Diagnose] Fw: Jamat-i-Islami on trial : As seen in--false one sided propaganda Pakistan
Mr. Ex Secretary with a long resume of self promoted achievements but unverifiable humanity.
People like you are exactly why Islam is so unfortunately ridiculed. You cannot even make a point without responding in a knee jerk way. So I can go murder someone and then just say I am for the opposite and I am scott free. What a deal?
You & your party dont even have a clue what it is to be a human being let alone speak about Islam or local politics. And your head is stuck in an orifice of the body where the sun dont shine.No matter how much of Islamic Tameez and piety you do everyone knows what monsters you have become.
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From: S A HannanSent: Nov 2, 2011 8:37 AM
To: 'Abdul Halim Shah'Subject: [ALOCHONA] RE: [Diagnose] Fw: Jamat-i-Islami on trial : As seen in --false one sided propaganda Pakistan This is what I wrote in response.
"This is being circulated by various groups from many places, originating probably in
from an atheist group. Any one can read Encyclopedia Britannica or any other standard encyclopedia to know Jamaate Islami. Canada There is nothing new that Jamaate Islami wanted with some other political parties to keep
one..But after Pakistan was born, it always worked for Bangladesh ." Bangladesh Shah Abdul Hannan
size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1>From: Abdul Halim Shah [mailto:sah1947@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:11 PM
To: Hannan SA Hannan
Subject: Fw: [Diagnose] Fw: Jamat-i-Islami on trial : As seen inPakistan
Pl see
SAH
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Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 8:03 AM
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Subject: Jamat-i-Islami on trial : As seen inPakistan Jamaat on trial
Farooq Sulehria
Saturday, October 29, 2011
Delawar Hossain Sayedee, leader of the Jamat-e-Islami in , has been indicted with 20 counts, including 3,000 killings, rape and arson, during Bangladesh 's nine-month-long war of liberation. Bangladesh
If proven guilty, Sayedee could face the death sentence. He has denied all charges against him. Sayedee will now be tried by the International Crimes Tribunal, a domestic tribunal with no United Nations role, which was set up last year to investigate war crimes in 1971. The trial begins on Oct 30.
While the role of the Pakistani military has drawn some media criticism, the Jamaat's role inin 1971 has gone largely unnoticed. East Pakistan
The attitude of the Jamaat to the problems and issues raised by the East Pakistanis even prior to the military action was hostile at worst and ambiguous at best. Understandably, the Jamaat was never able to prosper in. East Pakistan
At the time of Partition, the Jamaat had only one member in. At the time of East Pakistan 's inception, it had 300-400 members (and roughly 2,100 in Bangladesh ). However, it must be borne in mind that Jamaat's membership was not open to everybody. West Pakistan
The Jamaat and the religious parties won a small percentage of the vote inin the December 1970 elections, in which they made an unexpectedly bad showing. In a bizarre twist of events, the Jamaat happened to come out a remote second, despite its tiny percentage, to the Awami League in West Pakistan . The League swept the elections in the province, winning all but two of the National Assembly seats there (neither of which went to the Jamaat). East Pakistan
Soon after the creation of, the first expression of Pakistan 's displeasure was the language riots. Jinnah wanted Urdu as the state language. East Pakistan wanted both Urdu and Bengali as state languages. East Pakistan
Since 56 percent of the population of unitedspoke Bengali while 37 percent spoke Punjabi, Urdu was the language of the minority. However, Jinnah rejected East Pakistan's plea, and from February 1948 the language issue began to dominate politics in Pakistan . East Pakistan
In March 1948, there were student strikes and demonstrations throughout the province. Prime Minister Liaquat Khan reacted to the protests saying, "is a Muslim state and it must have its lingua franca, the language of the Muslim nation...It is necessary for the nation to have one language and that language can only be Urdu, and no other language." Pakistan
The Centre finally capitulated to's demand in 1952, but only after several Bengali-language activists had been killed in the movement. East Pakistan
The Jamaat's reaction to the acceptance of Bengali as an official language was unwelcoming, if not outright hostile. The Jamaat's organ Tarjuman-ul-Quran, for instance, declared that acceptance of Bengali on the same level as Urdu would discourage East Pakistanis from learning Urdu, and thus keep them ignorant of Islam since Urdu was richer in Islamic literature.
The Jamaat later on began to pay lip service to East Pakistanis' concerns, like the language issue, or their under-representation in the military.
However, as the Jamaat saw it, the real problem was's Hindus, who dominated the trade, and the communists. Maulana Maudoodi urged the ulema to rid the East Pakistani masses of what he called their ignorance of Islam, because "the influence of Hindu culture over their language, dress, habits and way of thinking is so big that they have lost all sense of its being an extraneous element in their life." East Pakistan
The problem, so to say, was not exploitation at the hands of West Pakistan but what the Jamaat considered's lack of Islamisation. East Pakistan
The Jamaat contended that Bengali literature was pervaded by Hindu ideas since Tagore was the major influence on it, while the similes and proverbs of Bengali reflected Hindu thought and social way of life. Besides, Bengali literature lacked what the Jamaat called Islamic politics, economics and way of life.
When Sheikh Mujib presented his Six Points, the Jamaat strongly rejected them on the pretext that they constituted a demand for secession. When the military operation was launched inin March 1971, the Jamaat intensified its campaign against the Awami League. The Jamaat dismissed the League and East Pakistan as tools of a "world Christian-Jewish conspiracy" to dismember India . Pakistan
In hindsight, the Jamaat propaganda may sound hysterical. However, at the time it helped rationalise the excesses committed against East Pakistanis. Not content with ideological justifications, the Jamaat raised militias and actively participated, alongside the army, in liquidating radical and progressive intellectuals and activists.
In May 1971, while East Pakistan was being brutalised, Maulana Rahmat Ilahi, the Jamaat's general secretary, declared: "Our brave army has saved." Maulana Maudoodi appealed to Pakistan 's "genuine Muslims to help the army in rounding up Awami Leaguers." East Pakistan
According to him, the movement in East Pakistan was sponsored by Hindus, communists and atheistic Bengali nationalists, all of whom were agents of, communism and Jews. India
In April 1971, the Maulana sent a memorandum to 39 Muslim heads of states and the Rabita-e-Alam-e-Islami justifying the military action in. In his memorandum, he claimed that the Awami League movement had been launched under the influence of Hindu professors and Hindu Bengali literature. East Pakistan
In July, a Jamaat delegation headed by K J Murad was dispatched to Europe and the. The delegation visited the Middle East , UK , Turkey , Lebanon and some other countries to counteract pro-Bangladeshi propaganda. Saudi Arabia
Meanwhile, Jamaat delegations were dispatched to. In May 1971 the Jamaat general secretary himself accompanied Gen Umrao Khan on a visit to the province. East Pakistan
In June, the Jamaat's deputy leader Mian Tufail Mohammad himself visited. On his return, Mian Tufail urged the army to reconquer every inch lost to the enemy. He said there should be no delay in killing all those responsible for the armed revolt. East Pakistan
He blamed the elected Awami League MPs for the chaos. Saying that the by-elections in a few constituencies announced by the Yahya regime would not suffice, he demanded the dissolution of theassembly and fresh elections in the province to both the national and provincial levels. East Pakistan
However, in the farcical by-elections that followed – which the main party, the Awami League was banned from contesting – the Jamaat fielded 19 candidates and won five National Assembly seats.
To the Jamaat's credit, in the post-liberation period it was able to find itself a niche in Bangladeshi politics despite its role in the 1971 events. This was a repeat of its performance inafter independence, despite the fact that the Jamaat had opposed the creation of Pakistan . Pakistan
The pattern in both countries has been similar. Inthe Jamaat allied itself with the military junta when Gen Ziaur Rehman came to power. Gen Zia, like his Pakistani namesake and counterpart, began to revise history and textbooks. His purpose was to minimise the role played by Sheikh Mujib in the movement and project his own imagined role in it. A revision of history equally suited the Jamaat. Bangladesh
The Awami League and the left forces, however, kept campaigning for a trial regarding atrocities in the 1971 war. In the last general elections, such a trial became an election issue. The Jamaat stood exposed and lost the elections.
A similar process is necessary everywhere includingto correct distortions of history. A 'Truth Commission' investigating not just the 1971 war but all the wars including the "Afghan jihad" and the "War on Terror", perhaps? Pakistan The writer is a freelance contributor. Email: mfsulehria@hotmail.com
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=74928&Cat=9
Shakeel Ahmed Canada Had no idea that the Military Mulla alliance has been there from such a long time. This monster literally engulfed
from the outright, Thank God Bangladesh came out of it and have taken them to task. However, in Pakistan 's case it still seems quite farfetched. Pakistan
Information AgePakistan Finally, real face of JI is exposed! JI and other right wing elements in
are responsible for horrendous atrocities committed in East and today's Pakistan . Its about time we in Pakistan also take these people to trial and bring them to justice. Pakistan
Arifq
UAEThe observation that 'the jamaat stood exposed and lost the elections' is interesting. The jamaat also stands exposed in
. Every Pakistani knows how 'Islamic' the jamaat is. And still the jamaat is ruling over our cities and our campuses. What does that prove? That Bangladeshis are intelligent and we are idiots! Pakistan
MonaPakistan
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