The core message was not convincing enough even to Abu Talib, the mentor and the protector of the prophet. The mesage is to obtain 72 houries and 28 gillmans in the afterlife with an everlasting erection. Even Ibn Sina wondered, how the prophet, being the intelligent man that he was, spread such rubbish. Then he came up with his own intelligent solution! Consider the intelligence of the average people of medieval times, and you have the answer.
About the animal sacrifice, it is the practice in many cultures. The poor animal dies to serve the religion. In the primitive times, the first child was to be sacrificed as an expiation to the cardinal sin from which every child is born. Abraham himself was a butcher in the temple of Melech. As he was not sure of his fatherhood of his children, given his age and inability to sire any during his life, he exiled Ismael and Hagar to Mecca, and took Isaac to sacrifice as burnt offering to Moloch. But he changed his mind later and told the Canaanites that God intervened in the last moment. Abraham was used to telling lies. Earlier he passed Sarah as his sister to gain material advantages.
Animal sacrifice has been a common practice across the world. There was no cheaper way to feed people in feasts. Cow sacrifice by Indian Muslims are intended only to anoy the local Hindus. Such practice is not the Arabian norm.
What is the core message of Islam?
Tolerance to other Faiths?
Deny others' Faiths and indirectly condemn others' Faiths five times a day? And brain washing five times per day (like advertisement) later the uncivilised indisciplined Beduin forget Mohammad ? So much endeavour to be remembered by ppeople just like a politician sex maniac.
What is the teaching? Killing people who would not accept his Faith and used the women of the defeated people. Told something good in Mecca and the same thing told in a reversed way in Medina. He had written( actually by other) a Book copied from other Book (Bible) because he knew he could not write a completely new Book out of nothing.So he had taken the easiest and ready- made way. Just Copy and relate him with taht Book's men. So intelligent he was.
Just see the Qurbani in Idd? How people can cut throat the cow which he garlanded with flowers? Giving flowers garland means showing respect to it? After showing respect and / or love it is cut. Desert culture has ruined us. It had divided us. It had killed us. It had made us animals from human. That's why Saudi never allows other to follow their religions in open? In Kashmir, In Pakistan, in Bangladesh , even in India (Deganga of West Bengal) temples' deities demolition is a noble job.
They don't feel any pity to that cow? In Pakistan some children stay night with the cow or goat putting flower garlands around its neck. In the morning that animal is cut throat? Height of cruelty !!! This is the culture mid east had given to us. We borrowed the hard religion from desert while we were not the desert people.
Is this the teaching of real Allah? Giving pain to a living being Allah feels happy? Don't believe that Allah who is biased. Allah is not a democratic fellow? So the believers of that Allah can not be democratic. That's why most of the Allah believers democratic country are failed country. Who will accept Allah he must be ruled with iron hand otherwise he will loose faiths. So many trics Mahammad had understood and apllied. A real dictator of 1400 years ago.
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 5:47 AM
Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right these were acts of half educated idiots who do not understand the core message of Islam.
However atheist people have done more murdering of innocents than any religious people. Stalin, Mao (Of china) etc done their part in killing anyone who had a different point of view.
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To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:37 am
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Killing of the Ahmediyas by the followers of Mowdoodi in Pakistan, killing and raping of freedom loving Bengalis in 1971, bombing of mosques to kill innocent Shiites in Pakistan and Iraq and somewhere else----are all these the acts by the secularists?
From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
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Respected all,Atheists and secularists (who believe in naturalism and rationalism only and who deny role of religion in public life) are more menace to humanity, morality, civilization as history shows. Most of the wars including first and second great wars were waged by them.Most of the people of religions are good people. Many of them are misguided by secular political leaders or some ignorant and aggressive religious bigots.Religious people of all religions should fight these exploiters and stand for humanity, morality and social welfare.Shah Abdul HannanFrom: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?@Nihar Singh:The true religious people - who are they? Whether they bother anybody or not - is not the issue. The issue is how much is their contribution towards the advancement of the modern society? Are people, who take part in the communal riots or blowup innocent people in the name of religion, any less religious? You may think so - but they don't.@Kamal Das:The New Testaments does not contain many of the violent verses of the Old Testament means these are not absolute truth. This is the point I am trying to make.Thanks.From: nihar singh <nihar_singh786@yahoo.com>
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--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Are some religious people menaces in the society?
To: "Mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 7:12 PMAre some religious people menaces in the society?I have been asking this question lately to myself. I tried to find the roles and contributions (I mean, real contributions) of religious people in the society that brought us here from the beginning of time. What I envisioned is that - religion played a very insignificant role towards our social, moral, and scientific developments in this world. Most of these developments are made by religiously indifferent people. The religious people mostly deal with and talk about things that are out of this world. As a result, many of these religious people are misfits and menaces in the society.Many argue that religion builds our moral character, and we learn good and bad from religion, etc. etc. I, on the other hand, think – good and bad we learn from our ancestors, and from our own experiences; religion has nothing to do with it. You might ask where our ancestors learned them from, in the first place. They learned good and bad from their ancestors' experiences, so on, and so forth. Most Chinese do not have any religion. When I asked a Chinese man - how most people there learn about good and bad without religion, he told me - they learn them from their elders' wisdoms. That's right; our ancestors transferred their knowledge and wisdom to us. Therefore, I truly believe – this world would have been a much better place without religion. Religions have divided us into many sectarian hateful clans, which are constantly fighting with one another.Many of us believe that religious doctrines and dogmas are heavenly absolute entities. They forget that - many of those doctrines, dogmas, and interpretations have already been modified from the original preaching during emancipation. For example, Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament, many Quranic interpretations have been changed, and many Vedic/Puranic practices and interpretations have been changed, etc., etc. That means - religious teachings and practices are subject to change with the time, which means they are not so heavenly endowments as we believe them to be. This is a critical point to remember. Those who think otherwise are the menaces in the society.Jiten Roy
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