Now Farida Majid is talking in a civilized manner, not like a member of over-emotional,
over-zealous PRO LIBERATION FORCE!
Let's celebrate.
probashi
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: farida_majid@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:23:10 -0500
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths
over-zealous PRO LIBERATION FORCE!
Let's celebrate.
probashi
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: farida_majid@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:23:10 -0500
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths
Who is doing this asking for an EXACT headcount of how many men, women, children, and Muktijoddhas fighting on various fronts over nine months died and for what purpose is that EXACT headcount useful? International War Crimes Tribunals that have conducted trials in various countries in recent years do not seem to insist on EXACT number.
Why is this Kuwaiti expat Bongu think he is the smartest alec and all others are fools not to act like a Necromancer that he secretly is?
Where are the bodies?
How do you pacify the whines of a lonesome Zombie?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Ezajur@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:52:02 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths
Why is this Kuwaiti expat Bongu think he is the smartest alec and all others are fools not to act like a Necromancer that he secretly is?
Where are the bodies?
How do you pacify the whines of a lonesome Zombie?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Ezajur@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:52:02 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths
That Mujib translated 3 lac into 3 million is a matter of common opinion and Mujib's greatest supporters add creedence to it by their stubborn refusal to even attempt to research the number. That it fell from the Mighty Mujib's lips is sufficient. If further evidence is required then the fact that the mighty Mujib simply quoted the Mighty Yahya Khan's intention to kill 3 million should suffice.
Q. How many of you did they kill?
A. 3 million
Q. Where are the bodies?
A. I don't know
Q. So why do you say 3 million?
A. Because they said they would kill 3 million.
Q. So why don't you investigate how many were killed?
A. We can't be bothered.
Q. Who are you?
A. We are the government, intellectuals and civil society of a sovereign State.
Bloody Bongus!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
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> Serajur Rahman has been pushing this story ad infinitum and most recently it appeared in that 'letter' in the Guardian. It is told in a clever format so that the figure '3 million' appears as an instantaneous invention of an ebullient leader who does not know the difference between the Bengali number 'lakh' from the English word 'million'. Serajur Rahman does not divulge that Sheikh Mujib might have actually heard the Yahya Khan radio interview given in Feb. 1971, or he might have heard about Yahya Khan boasting of the jolly prospect of killing 3 million Banggals through the post-1970 election grapevine of intricacies.
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> I try to avoid getting into the '3 million killed' argument. It is a
> pointless argument, as if a million subtracted here or added there
> makes a whole lot of difference. Genocides are not defined so much by the enormity of the number, though that is an important determinant, but by the ferocity of the intentionality. Below is a snippet excerpt from
> something I wrote on Genocide of 1971 two years ago.
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> He quotes R. J. Rummel again: "It
> was Yahya Khan, then President of Pakistan", who said regarding his
> ill-conceived miliitary crackdown on East Pakistan in March, 1971: "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands" (p315).
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> The intended number to be killed mentioned in the statement of Yahya in a radio interview in February, 1971 is
> not nearly as important as the explicit aim for mass killing that is
> expressed in the bombast there. And the aim of this mass killing was to make "them" eat out of "our" hands, i.e., subjugation of a whole race of people by brute, inhuman force.
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> that was Pakistani military's neo-colonial aim. I like to distinguish between
> that aim and the one that was in the blackened hearts of the
> Bengali Razakars as they conducted the mass murders of fellow-countrymen
> in 1971. Those Razakars (and their newer versions) with the
> same murederous desires in their hearts are still among us. We keep
> knocking over them even in this forum.
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> Farida Majid
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> January 1972 I was the first Bangladeshi to meet independence leader
> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman after his release from Pakistan. He was brought
> from Heathrow to Claridge's by the Indian high commissioner Apa Bhai
> Panth, and I arrived there almost immediately.
> Mujib
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> puzzled to be addressed as "your excellency" by Mr Panth. He was
> surprised, almost shocked, when I explained to him that Bangladesh had
> been liberated and he was elected president in his absence. Apparently
> he arrived in London under the impression that East Pakistanis had been
> granted the full regional autonomy for which he had been campaigning.
> During the day I and others gave him the full picture of the war. I
> explained that no accurate figure of the casualties was available but
> our estimate, based on information from various sources, was that up to
> "three lakh" (300,000) died in the conflict.
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> surprise and horror he told David Frost later that "three millions of
> my people" were killed by the Pakistanis. Whether he mistranslated
> "lakh" as "million" or his confused state of mind was responsible I
> don't know, but many Bangladeshis still believe a figure of three
> million is unrealistic and incredible.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/24/mujib-confusion-on-bangladeshi-deaths
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Q. How many of you did they kill?
A. 3 million
Q. Where are the bodies?
A. I don't know
Q. So why do you say 3 million?
A. Because they said they would kill 3 million.
Q. So why don't you investigate how many were killed?
A. We can't be bothered.
Q. Who are you?
A. We are the government, intellectuals and civil society of a sovereign State.
Bloody Bongus!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
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> Serajur Rahman has been pushing this story ad infinitum and most recently it appeared in that 'letter' in the Guardian. It is told in a clever format so that the figure '3 million' appears as an instantaneous invention of an ebullient leader who does not know the difference between the Bengali number 'lakh' from the English word 'million'. Serajur Rahman does not divulge that Sheikh Mujib might have actually heard the Yahya Khan radio interview given in Feb. 1971, or he might have heard about Yahya Khan boasting of the jolly prospect of killing 3 million Banggals through the post-1970 election grapevine of intricacies.
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> I try to avoid getting into the '3 million killed' argument. It is a
> pointless argument, as if a million subtracted here or added there
> makes a whole lot of difference. Genocides are not defined so much by the enormity of the number, though that is an important determinant, but by the ferocity of the intentionality. Below is a snippet excerpt from
> something I wrote on Genocide of 1971 two years ago.
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>
> He quotes R. J. Rummel again: "It
> was Yahya Khan, then President of Pakistan", who said regarding his
> ill-conceived miliitary crackdown on East Pakistan in March, 1971: "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands" (p315).
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> The intended number to be killed mentioned in the statement of Yahya in a radio interview in February, 1971 is
> not nearly as important as the explicit aim for mass killing that is
> expressed in the bombast there. And the aim of this mass killing was to make "them" eat out of "our" hands, i.e., subjugation of a whole race of people by brute, inhuman force.
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> But
> that was Pakistani military's neo-colonial aim. I like to distinguish between
> that aim and the one that was in the blackened hearts of the
> Bengali Razakars as they conducted the mass murders of fellow-countrymen
> in 1971. Those Razakars (and their newer versions) with the
> same murederous desires in their hearts are still among us. We keep
> knocking over them even in this forum.
>
> Farida Majid
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> To:
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> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:22:40 +0600
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Mujib's confusion on Bangladeshi deaths
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> On
> 8
> January 1972 I was the first Bangladeshi to meet independence leader
> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman after his release from Pakistan. He was brought
> from Heathrow to Claridge's by the Indian high commissioner Apa Bhai
> Panth, and I arrived there almost immediately.
> Mujib
> was
> puzzled to be addressed as "your excellency" by Mr Panth. He was
> surprised, almost shocked, when I explained to him that Bangladesh had
> been liberated and he was elected president in his absence. Apparently
> he arrived in London under the impression that East Pakistanis had been
> granted the full regional autonomy for which he had been campaigning.
> During the day I and others gave him the full picture of the war. I
> explained that no accurate figure of the casualties was available but
> our estimate, based on information from various sources, was that up to
> "three lakh" (300,000) died in the conflict.
> To
> my
> surprise and horror he told David Frost later that "three millions of
> my people" were killed by the Pakistanis. Whether he mistranslated
> "lakh" as "million" or his confused state of mind was responsible I
> don't know, but many Bangladeshis still believe a figure of three
> million is unrealistic and incredible.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/24/mujib-confusion-on-bangladeshi-deaths
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