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Sunday, February 19, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam

The reigns of Sultan Husain Shahs(father and son, 1493 - 1532) were
termed the 'golden age of the Bengal Sultanate' by Nizamuddin
Ahmad(1594) in Tabaquat-i-Akbari, 3:270, trans, B.De, 3, pt.1 :443.
It, in no way, covers the whole history of Bengal. The elder Husain
Shah is a contemporary of Chaitanya Dev, no contemporary Vaishnavite
literature glorifies the Husain Shah period. Husain Shah, by the way,
was not a pathan. He claimed to be a Syed, but really his ancestors
came from Turkish or Yemeni origin

Bankim Chattopadhyay wrote a 'Bangalar Itihash' exposing his lack of
depth in knowledge on history. In it he clearly wrote, Pathans had
never conquered Bengal. They might have been given a suzerainty over
a few principalities by the Turkish Sultans or Sher Shah Suri. R. C.
Majumder did not consider his rule as glorious either and he strongly
reputed the claim that he sponsored poets and litterateurs.

The self claimed scholar has been called a stupid earlier by Drs. Bain
and Roy. I would like to go a few nanometers ahead. Calling this
lady, who had a futile debate with Ali Sina to prove the divine origin
of the 'Holy Quran', a stupid is an insult even to a stupid.

On 2/19/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just because Bankim said something, the bleating bunch of sheep would
> take it as authentic. Query or criticism is forbidden. Please look
> into the academic records of the first graduates of Calcutta
> University, and you would find out how much grace marks were given to
> Bankim and Bhudev.. Just because someone edited 'Banga darshan' long
> before 'Bengali Renaissance' he should be taken as the wisest guy.
>
> If SC wants the criticism of Rabinranath and Nazrul, he can find
> plenty if he looks in the right place. The wise 'Farida Majid' could
> let you have some light on them.
>
> On 2/19/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> As I promised, here is some thing that I can present as an evidence that
>> Bankim praised Pathan rulers. In his review of Rajkrishna Mukherjee's
>> "First
>> lesson: the history of Bengal", among other things, Bankim has said the
>> following about Pathan rulers:
>> 1. During Pathan rule, intellectually Bengalis became brighter.
>> 2. This is the period when the greatest poets Vidyapati and Chandidas
>> emerged. Moreover, unparallel Raghunath, Raghunandan, and
>> Chaitanyadev appeared.
>> 3. This period has witnessed the highly creative Vaishnab literature.
>> 4. Bengal has never seen this level of intellectual development two
>> hundred
>> years before or after Pathan rule.
>> 5. Architecturally also Bengal showed tremendous achievement during this
>> period.
>> 6. Local landlords enjoyed autonomy to a great extent.
>> 7. Mughals did not do any thing for Bengali literature. In that sense
>> Pathans were our friends and the Mughals were our enemies. No good book
>> was
>> written in Bengal during the Mughal rule.
>> 8. During Mughal rule, wealth from Bengal used to be smuggled to Delhi,
>> and
>> even to Iran.
>> 9. A major share of the expenses incurred for building Tajmahal went from
>> Bengal.
>> 6. Not only Nader Shah, the Marathas also looted wealth of Bengal.
>>
>> Obviously Bankim is controversial. We do not have to agree with him on
>> every
>> thing; personally I do not. There are pieces that anger Muslims. But we
>> must
>> not forget that he was a great nationalist. Some of his main
>> concerns were
>> Bengal and Bengali and Bengal's peasants. You may remember what he said
>> after "Christian" Madhusudan's death: Favorable wind is blowing. Hoist
>> your
>> national flag and write on it "ShreeMadhusudan".
>>
>> From my personal memory:
>> One of my teachers in Dhaka college was Nazibur Rahman Khan. Once he told
>> the class (1968 or 1969 a period plagued by anti-Hindu and anti-Indian
>> politics and when Monayem Khan requested Abdul Hye to write
>> Rabindrasangeet)
>> not to push aside Bankim but to read him with care.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
>> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' ::
>> Islamism
>> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>>
>>
>> A funny response indeed although it testifies to the fact that Mr. Kamal
>> Das always takes out of his pocket some stunning information to prove
>> wrong
>> some thing that is more or less well founded! Rabindranath could not go
>> beyoond primary education and Nazrul did not pass matriculation exam.
>> They
>> are lucky that they have not been attacked by Das! From the top of my head
>> I
>> cannot exactly say on which pages Bankim has praised Pathan rulers, but I
>> can assure you he has done it. As far as I remember Bankim has praised
>> the
>> Pathan rulers for their contributions including sponsoring Bengali
>> language
>> and literature. (I will find more about it. I have complete works of
>> Bankim.)
>>
>> "Alahuddin Hussain Shah (1493-1519) ------ who gave pride of place to the
>> fledgling Bengali language, ruled the land without showing any
>> discrimination between his Hindu and Muslim subjects and gave his kingdom
>> a
>> peaceful and prosperous period ...." ---From History of the
>> Bengali-speaking
>> people.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
>> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' ::
>> Islamism
>> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Both Bankim and Bhudev were made to pass the B. A. Exam on grace.
>> There is no reason to take Bankim as a serious historian. Besides, in
>> which novel did Bankim call the Pathan dominated Bengal a golden era?
>> If Bengal had any golden period at all, it was under the rule of the
>> Buddhists. "Since I have studied the Medieval period of both Europe,
>> Islamic civilization, and Bengal's history I know how rich and
>> big-hearted that period was. Medieval Bengal under the Muslim rule (or
>> the Pathan period, as Bankim calls the era), for instance, was
>> considered the Golden Age by Bankim." Had this lady really studied so
>> much, she could not find that period 'rich and big-hearted'. Which
>> period does she define as medieval? Isn't Salafism another name of
>> Wahabism? In my opinion, the Deobandis are closer to Salafism than
>> the Jamatis. Whoever may outcast Moududi, Ali Shariati, the Guru of
>> the Islamic revolution in Iran worked on the model put forward by him.
>> The aim of Islam is global domination right from the beginning. Had
>> it not been eradicated from Spain in the fifteenth century, they would
>> have probably conquered the American continents, and be nearer to
>> their goal.
>>
>>
>


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