"Bleating bunch of sheep!"----Language please. We expect more civility. We need tolerance from you because you want to fight intolerance.
Any way, nobody cares whether Bankim got grace to pass B.A. examination. We do not have to stoop so low and be so much "chhidranweshi". Bankim, Gandhi, Vivekananda, Rabindranath, etc. are institutions. In personal life, none of them was a perfect human being. We have to look at them from broad perspectives. It is said that Bankim was addicted to opium! I have no solid proof except that his Kamalakanta Chakrabarty was an opium-addict and under the spell of opium he used to say unbelievably beautiful things.
How much harm has been caused by Bankim as an institution? Has he shown any direction to Bengalis or the Indians? What is his contriution to Bengali literature? I believe this should be the level of discussions in a forum like mukto-mona. Low level thinking, if not mediocrity, will simply ruin the seriousness of the forum.
About the Pathan rule of Bengal, I have provided a quote from a modern author. Please read again.
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
Just because Bankim said something, the bleating bunch of sheep would
take it as authentic. Query or criticism is forbidden. Please look
into the academic records of the first graduates of Calcutta
University, and you would find out how much grace marks were given to
Bankim and Bhudev.. Just because someone edited 'Banga darshan' long
before 'Bengali Renaissance' he should be taken as the wisest guy.
If SC wants the criticism of Rabinranath and Nazrul, he can find
plenty if he looks in the right place. The wise 'Farida Majid' could
let you have some light on them.
On 2/19/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As I promised, here is some thing that I can present as an evidence that
> Bankim praised Pathan rulers. In his review of Rajkrishna Mukherjee's "First
> lesson: the history of Bengal", among other things, Bankim has said the
> following about Pathan rulers:
> 1. During Pathan rule, intellectually Bengalis became brighter.
> 2. This is the period when the greatest poets Vidyapati and Chandidas
> emerged. Moreover, unparallel Raghunath, Raghunandan, and
> Chaitanyadev appeared.
> 3. This period has witnessed the highly creative Vaishnab literature.
> 4. Bengal has never seen this level of intellectual development two hundred
> years before or after Pathan rule.
> 5. Architecturally also Bengal showed tremendous achievement during this
> period.
> 6. Local landlords enjoyed autonomy to a great extent.
> 7. Mughals did not do any thing for Bengali literature. In that sense
> Pathans were our friends and the Mughals were our enemies. No good book was
> written in Bengal during the Mughal rule.
> 8. During Mughal rule, wealth from Bengal used to be smuggled to Delhi, and
> even to Iran.
> 9. A major share of the expenses incurred for building Tajmahal went from
> Bengal.
> 6. Not only Nader Shah, the Marathas also looted wealth of Bengal.
>
> Obviously Bankim is controversial. We do not have to agree with him on every
> thing; personally I do not. There are pieces that anger Muslims. But we must
> not forget that he was a great nationalist. Some of his main concerns were
> Bengal and Bengali and Bengal's peasants. You may remember what he said
> after "Christian" Madhusudan's death: Favorable wind is blowing. Hoist your
> national flag and write on it "ShreeMadhusudan".
>
> From my personal memory:
> One of my teachers in Dhaka college was Nazibur Rahman Khan. Once he told
> the class (1968 or 1969 a period plagued by anti-Hindu and anti-Indian
> politics and when Monayem Khan requested Abdul Hye to write Rabindrasangeet)
> not to push aside Bankim but to read him with care.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism
> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>
>
> A funny response indeed although it testifies to the fact that Mr. Kamal
> Das always takes out of his pocket some stunning information to prove wrong
> some thing that is more or less well founded! Rabindranath could not go
> beyoond primary education and Nazrul did not pass matriculation exam. They
> are lucky that they have not been attacked by Das! From the top of my head I
> cannot exactly say on which pages Bankim has praised Pathan rulers, but I
> can assure you he has done it. As far as I remember Bankim has praised the
> Pathan rulers for their contributions including sponsoring Bengali language
> and literature. (I will find more about it. I have complete works of
> Bankim.)
>
> "Alahuddin Hussain Shah (1493-1519) ------ who gave pride of place to the
> fledgling Bengali language, ruled the land without showing any
> discrimination between his Hindu and Muslim subjects and gave his kingdom a
> peaceful and prosperous period ...." ---From History of the Bengali-speaking
> people.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism
> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>
>
>
>
> Both Bankim and Bhudev were made to pass the B. A. Exam on grace.
> There is no reason to take Bankim as a serious historian. Besides, in
> which novel did Bankim call the Pathan dominated Bengal a golden era?
> If Bengal had any golden period at all, it was under the rule of the
> Buddhists. "Since I have studied the Medieval period of both Europe,
> Islamic civilization, and Bengal's history I know how rich and
> big-hearted that period was. Medieval Bengal under the Muslim rule (or
> the Pathan period, as Bankim calls the era), for instance, was
> considered the Golden Age by Bankim." Had this lady really studied so
> much, she could not find that period 'rich and big-hearted'. Which
> period does she define as medieval? Isn't Salafism another name of
> Wahabism? In my opinion, the Deobandis are closer to Salafism than
> the Jamatis. Whoever may outcast Moududi, Ali Shariati, the Guru of
> the Islamic revolution in Iran worked on the model put forward by him.
> The aim of Islam is global domination right from the beginning. Had
> it not been eradicated from Spain in the fifteenth century, they would
> have probably conquered the American continents, and be nearer to
> their goal.
>
>
take it as authentic. Query or criticism is forbidden. Please look
into the academic records of the first graduates of Calcutta
University, and you would find out how much grace marks were given to
Bankim and Bhudev.. Just because someone edited 'Banga darshan' long
before 'Bengali Renaissance' he should be taken as the wisest guy.
If SC wants the criticism of Rabinranath and Nazrul, he can find
plenty if he looks in the right place. The wise 'Farida Majid' could
let you have some light on them.
On 2/19/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As I promised, here is some thing that I can present as an evidence that
> Bankim praised Pathan rulers. In his review of Rajkrishna Mukherjee's "First
> lesson: the history of Bengal", among other things, Bankim has said the
> following about Pathan rulers:
> 1. During Pathan rule, intellectually Bengalis became brighter.
> 2. This is the period when the greatest poets Vidyapati and Chandidas
> emerged. Moreover, unparallel Raghunath, Raghunandan, and
> Chaitanyadev appeared.
> 3. This period has witnessed the highly creative Vaishnab literature.
> 4. Bengal has never seen this level of intellectual development two hundred
> years before or after Pathan rule.
> 5. Architecturally also Bengal showed tremendous achievement during this
> period.
> 6. Local landlords enjoyed autonomy to a great extent.
> 7. Mughals did not do any thing for Bengali literature. In that sense
> Pathans were our friends and the Mughals were our enemies. No good book was
> written in Bengal during the Mughal rule.
> 8. During Mughal rule, wealth from Bengal used to be smuggled to Delhi, and
> even to Iran.
> 9. A major share of the expenses incurred for building Tajmahal went from
> Bengal.
> 6. Not only Nader Shah, the Marathas also looted wealth of Bengal.
>
> Obviously Bankim is controversial. We do not have to agree with him on every
> thing; personally I do not. There are pieces that anger Muslims. But we must
> not forget that he was a great nationalist. Some of his main concerns were
> Bengal and Bengali and Bengal's peasants. You may remember what he said
> after "Christian" Madhusudan's death: Favorable wind is blowing. Hoist your
> national flag and write on it "ShreeMadhusudan".
>
> From my personal memory:
> One of my teachers in Dhaka college was Nazibur Rahman Khan. Once he told
> the class (1968 or 1969 a period plagued by anti-Hindu and anti-Indian
> politics and when Monayem Khan requested Abdul Hye to write Rabindrasangeet)
> not to push aside Bankim but to read him with care.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism
> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>
>
> A funny response indeed although it testifies to the fact that Mr. Kamal
> Das always takes out of his pocket some stunning information to prove wrong
> some thing that is more or less well founded! Rabindranath could not go
> beyoond primary education and Nazrul did not pass matriculation exam. They
> are lucky that they have not been attacked by Das! From the top of my head I
> cannot exactly say on which pages Bankim has praised Pathan rulers, but I
> can assure you he has done it. As far as I remember Bankim has praised the
> Pathan rulers for their contributions including sponsoring Bengali language
> and literature. (I will find more about it. I have complete works of
> Bankim.)
>
> "Alahuddin Hussain Shah (1493-1519) ------ who gave pride of place to the
> fledgling Bengali language, ruled the land without showing any
> discrimination between his Hindu and Muslim subjects and gave his kingdom a
> peaceful and prosperous period ...." ---From History of the Bengali-speaking
> people.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism
> is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
>
>
>
>
> Both Bankim and Bhudev were made to pass the B. A. Exam on grace.
> There is no reason to take Bankim as a serious historian. Besides, in
> which novel did Bankim call the Pathan dominated Bengal a golden era?
> If Bengal had any golden period at all, it was under the rule of the
> Buddhists. "Since I have studied the Medieval period of both Europe,
> Islamic civilization, and Bengal's history I know how rich and
> big-hearted that period was. Medieval Bengal under the Muslim rule (or
> the Pathan period, as Bankim calls the era), for instance, was
> considered the Golden Age by Bankim." Had this lady really studied so
> much, she could not find that period 'rich and big-hearted'. Which
> period does she define as medieval? Isn't Salafism another name of
> Wahabism? In my opinion, the Deobandis are closer to Salafism than
> the Jamatis. Whoever may outcast Moududi, Ali Shariati, the Guru of
> the Islamic revolution in Iran worked on the model put forward by him.
> The aim of Islam is global domination right from the beginning. Had
> it not been eradicated from Spain in the fifteenth century, they would
> have probably conquered the American continents, and be nearer to
> their goal.
>
>
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