I will not make my final judgement about
(i) Gandhi by the fact that there was a time when in order to test the strength of his brahmacharyya he used to sleep between two naked women
(ii) Rabindranath by the fact that once he praised Mussoloni
(iii) Vivekananda for claiming his fair share from his mother and brother
and so on.
What did Sanyasi Vivekananda do with the property? To donate the mission?
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:35 PM
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I have complete works of Vivekananda in my possession. In course of my reading them, I have found plenty of ignorance. Anybody who considers Ramakrishna a God, may also find Vivekanannda an institution. To me he was nothing more than a conjurer, just another rogue in the world of religion. He used religion as a good business. After becoming a saint, no body goes to court against mother and brother claiming a fair share of paternal property as he did. These 'institutions' were not harmless.
Hindus believed Javans(Ionians), Mlecchas(Phoenicians) and Arabs were the same people. To them Afghans and Pathans were also the same. ' I have mention Alahuddin Shah and his successors as good governors'. Really? In those days, Hindus were majority(~90%) and Muslims were the Sultans. Bureaucratic participation of Hindus were unavoidable, most Jamindars were Hindus, and as R. C. Majumder wrote, the Sultans grabbed sixty percent of the tax collected(three times more than Sura Anfal permits). An evidence of 'good governance' indeed!
Hindus believed Javans(Ionians), Mlecchas(Phoenicians) and Arabs were the same people. To them Afghans and Pathans were also the same. ' I have mention Alahuddin Shah and his successors as good governors'. Really? In those days, Hindus were majority(~90%) and Muslims were the Sultans. Bureaucratic participation of Hindus were unavoidable, most Jamindars were Hindus, and as R. C. Majumder wrote, the Sultans grabbed sixty percent of the tax collected(three times more than Sura Anfal permits). An evidence of 'good governance' indeed!
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
That is interesting not surprising though. Last night I read the relevant pages of Romila Thapar. I see mention of Arabs, Turks, Mughals, Afghans, and even Abyssinians, but not Pathans. Let the historians do more research on it. Whatever resources I have mention Alahuddin Shah and his successors as good governors. (Bankim was not hostorian;Das for nothing attacking an imaginary enemy!) My point was to point to one great element in his character. He was a nationalist and loved his mother tongue. Ghulam Murshid has given more details about Alauddin and his successors. Kamal Das may want to read it. He will find mention of "sworn pugs" there. Historians can be biased to the group he belongs to. Our readership also has problems. We as readers are selective and take into cognizance those accounts which support my agenda or views. One bhokto of Vivekananda started hating him when he discovered that in one of his writings he praised Islam! Muslim rulers sponsored Bengali language! impossible. Many Muslim (educated) hate Bankim without properly studying him. Very unfortunate. One thing: Geetagovimdam was not written in Benhali. It was not in pure Sandkrit either. Bankim treated this as a contribution to Bengali language.
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--- On Sat, 2/18/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Why We Need Words Like 'Islamist' :: Islamism is a distinct phenomenon and different from historic Islam
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As I promised, here is some thing that I can present as an evidence that Bankim praised Pathan rulers. In his review of Rajkrishna Mukherjee's "First lesson: the history of Bengal", among other things, Bankim has said the following about Pathan rulers:1. During Pathan rule, intellectually Bengalis became brighter.2. This is the period when the greatest poets Vidyapati and Chandidas emerged. Moreover, unparallel Raghunath, Raghunandan, and Chaitanyadev appeared.3. This period has witnessed the highly creative Vaishnab literature.4. Bengal has never seen this level of intellectual development two hundred years before or after Pathan rule.5. Architecturally also Bengal showed tremendous achievement during this period.6. Local landlords enjoyed autonomy to a great extent.7. Mughals did not do any thing for Bengali literature. In that sense Pathans were our friends and the Mughals were our enemies. No good book was written in Bengal during the Mughal rule.8. During Mughal rule, wealth from Bengal used to be smuggled to Delhi, and even to Iran.9. A major share of the expenses incurred for building Tajmahal went from Bengal.6. Not only Nader Shah, the Marathas also looted wealth of Bengal.Obviously Bankim is controversial. We do not have to agree with him on every thing; personally I do not. There are pieces that anger Muslims. But we must not forget that he was a great nationalist. Some of his main concerns were Bengal and Bengali and Bengal's peasants. You may remember what he said after "Christian" Madhusudan's death: Favorable wind is blowing. Hoist your national flag and write on it "ShreeMadhusudan".From my personal memory:One of my teachers in Dhaka college was Nazibur Rahman Khan. Once he told the class (1968 or 1969 a period plagued by anti-Hindu and anti-Indian politics and when Monayem Khan requested Abdul Hye to write Rabindrasangeet) not to push aside Bankim but to read him with care.From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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There is no reason to take Bankim as a serious historian. Besides, in which novel did Bankim call the Pathan dominated Bengal a golden era? If Bengal had any golden period at all, it was under the rule of the Buddhists. "Since I have studied the Medieval period of both Europe, Islamic civilization, and Bengal's history I know how rich and big-hearted that period was. Medieval Bengal under the Muslim rule (or the Pathan period, as Bankim calls the era), for instance, was considered the Golden Age by Bankim." Had this lady really studied so much, she could not find that period 'rich and big-hearted'. Which period does she define as medieval? Isn't Salafism another name of Wahabism? In my opinion, the Deobandis are closer to Salafism than the Jamatis. Whoever may outcast Moududi, Ali Shariati, the Guru of the Islamic revolution in Iran worked on the model put forward by him. The aim of Islam is global domination right from the beginning. Had it not been eradicated from Spain in the fifteenth century, they would have probably conquered the American continents, and be nearer to their goal.
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