I think certain people (Who constructed their perception to think ALL religions MUST have imperfections ABSOLUTELY) find themselves in serious trouble when they get a simple "Common sense" answer to their sincere concern from religious point of view. From the very start I understood the proposal came from a nice idea but a serious proposal has to be "Practical" as well. For example, Islam is totally against "Idol worshiping" but out of respect to many Hindus in Bangladesh, our government keep extra security to ensure a safe and joyous festivals for Hindus. I strongly support such steps to ensure safety and security.
in the religion that they inherited from their parents. I probably should admit, how foolish of me to get into trying an unattainable goal!
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it was "Inherited" but NOT unexamined. I am reading a book by a famous atheist to learn about other point of view right now (Aroj Ali Matubbor). How many of you can even tolerate a verse for the Qur'an? I saw a lot of filthy language thrown and personal attacks for no apparent reasons!!
Is this necessary?
But I would certainly claim to have a superior value system than the average ignorant religious person of any kind.
>>>>>>>>> I can understand this. To you your values are "Superior". This is fine. At the same time I have a feeling that, most people in this forum have VERY little religious education they love to critic. Which is an irrational position to take to say the least.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes when India forces people to Hindu values it becomes "Good point" (Openly discriminatory) but had it been Saudi Arabia, it would have been "End of the world".
How is killing cow a religious sentiment for the Muslims? Their religious books certainly did not ask them to slaughter cow.
>>>>>>>> Actually religion offers a list of animals permitted and cow is certainly included in the list.
is the sentiment like, "To prove that I am a Muslim, I have to show that I kill, with a lot of fanfare, the animal that the Hindus treat like a god?"
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually for most Muslims, we just want to perform our rituals. I see a great many Muslims who are very conscious about Hindu neighbors and take steps to minimize their exposure. Sadly such good gestures do not make news.
>>>>>>>>> You are welcome to have an opinion. That is fine with me.
However most of my posts are accompanied by sources and references of my opinions. I know truth is difficult to accept some times and religious and non-religious people do not embrace faults of their opinions so easily.
My views are constantly examined by me, I hope you do the same with your views.
May truth, knowledge and logic guide you.
Shalom!!
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:55 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
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< From member Bain>
Muslims could certainly give up the extra 15% similarity
> out of respect for their neighbors, and out of caring for a harmonious
> coexistence with the neighbors, while following their own religious
> tradition.
>>>>>>>>>> In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!
I can understand if the request is to hide the animal from public eye as a good neighbor. But your are actually "Bold" enough the propose this on the whole country.
During my university days, I had a Roommate (Still very good friends) who came from Hindu tradition. I never cooked beef in front of him albeit he gave me permission. That is courtesy and I understand that. But your proposal is only good for mindless debate in this forum but not a "Practical" solution for a whole country.
There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India. So I think more "Practical" solution can be reached. Otherwise our people would think a minority values have been imposed on us. Also beef is cheaper in Bangladesh (Because Indian Hindus have no problem selling cows to Muslims who would make beef curry out of it!) and a good source of protein. It would deprive many poor people from getting their protein intake. Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here.
As far as I know, the pre-Islamic prophet Ibrahim
> was ready to sacrifice his son Ishmail to express his true devotion to God.
> The Hindus used to sacrifice little children to please their God by offering
> the purest/most sinless thing. Of course, this kind of human sacrifices
> would be seriously prosecuted in today's world, because we are civilized
> enough to realize that the person that is to be offered/sacrificed has a
> right to this world, which even his/her father can not take away; devotion
> to God or not.
>>>>>>>>> This is a good point. The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices".
The Muslim story shows us Allah (SWT) want our love and devotion towards Him but NOT our sons!!
Again NOT here to criticize other views here BUT need to point out this FUNDAMENTAL difference in narratives.
Hope this will be some help those who seek to understand different point of views.
Shalom!
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SB: I was not proposing to impose anything on anyone. I was just trying to put some sense into the heads of people who are too brainwashed to find any imperfection, let alone faults
>>>>>>>>>> Your post certainly did "Propose" ( Not impose) that, Muslims should stop slaughtering cows. Which is impractical not only on religious grounds but also from nutrition point as well (It is a cheaper source of protein for many ).
: Good point! Some people in the world do sensible things voluntarily, some people are sensible because they are not allowed to act on their insensibility.
SB: I do not think a thoroughly brainwashed religious Muslim is in a position to judge the differences between Islam and any other religion
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This probably would be my last comments on Q. A. Rahman's posts, at least for a while. Let me go point by point.
QAR: "In theory everything is possible. BUT this also means you are "Proposing" to impose your values on others!!"
SB: I was not proposing to impose anything on anyone. I was just trying to put some sense into the heads of people who are too brainwashed to find any imperfection, let alone faults, in the religion that they inherited from their parents. I probably should admit, how foolish of me to get into trying an unattainable goal! I am not sure what Mr. Rahman means by "your values." But I would certainly claim to have a superior value system than the average ignorant religious person of any kind.
QAR: "There are places in India where Muslims are not "Allowed" to slaughter cow. Last time I checked Bangladesh is not part of India."
SB: Good point! Some people in the world do sensible things voluntarily, some people are sensible because they are not allowed to act on their insensibility.
QAR: "Still ALL religious sentiments have to be considered. NOT just for one community for long term peace here."
SB: How is killing cow a religious sentiment for the Muslims? Their religious books certainly did not ask them to slaughter cow. So, is the sentiment like, "To prove that I am a Muslim, I have to show that I kill, with a lot of fanfare, the animal that the Hindus treat like a god?"
QAR: "The fundamental DIFFERENCE in Muslim and Hindu narrative is unlike Hindu tradition God of Abraham (Allah-SWT) did NOT want human's to be sacrificed. While many Hindu gods (According to the tradition) do accept such "Sacrifices"."
SB: I do not think a thoroughly brainwashed religious Muslim is in a position to judge the differences between Islam and any other religion. There are differences. Some differences would make Islam better; some differences would make Islam worse. Seriously religious people are too biased to see the faults in their own religion. Unfortunately, I do not have much time to talk about what I call "the primitive wisdoms" in the religions.
Sukhamaya Bain
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
I'll become crazy if I keep getting such big doses of 'knowledge'.
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