The word 'focus' is becoming a rarity in practice. Glad Deeldar used it. He quoted one sentence from my post:"I am against India's hegemonic 'dada-giri' over its smaller neighbors."
I want to draw his attention to the rhetoric I used. By 'dada-giri' I meant a certain kind of meddling n the internal affairs of the neighbors. Besides Pakistan, Bangladesh is the biggest neighbor of India and it is located in such a manner that 'dada-giri' is not exactly a suitable relationship. China and the USA are both too big, and their games with their neighbors and territorial interests are different. Notice that I also wrote:
"But these are regional tensions one lives with. BD does want to trade with Nepal and Bhutan on land, and for that it must get transit through India. India needs transit facilities through BD to reach her N. Eastern provinces. And so on and so forth ..
India was playing the 'non-aligned' role in the 1950s and '60s. That role had its own importance and prestige at the time. I would not call that position "weak and impotent."
Again, let me challenge your concept of 'weak' and 'strong' countries. Those concepts are outdated. Strategic position on the geopolitical map is what the game is about. Why do you think Afghanistan was so important to both the Russians and the Americans? And now it is important to India and China. Read Pepe Escobar and his ideas about the whole area he calls Pipelinestan! He is accurate in his description and analysis of intentions and interests of various parties.
I am quite pleased about the increasing importance of Bangladesh in the geopolitical map. May be, for the first time in the history of US-BD relationship, the USA is going to take the principle of Bangladeshi secularism seriously.
Kind regards.
Farida Majid
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:07:51 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The Stockholm Syndrome -- for Jiten Roy
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I want to draw his attention to the rhetoric I used. By 'dada-giri' I meant a certain kind of meddling n the internal affairs of the neighbors. Besides Pakistan, Bangladesh is the biggest neighbor of India and it is located in such a manner that 'dada-giri' is not exactly a suitable relationship. China and the USA are both too big, and their games with their neighbors and territorial interests are different. Notice that I also wrote:
"But these are regional tensions one lives with. BD does want to trade with Nepal and Bhutan on land, and for that it must get transit through India. India needs transit facilities through BD to reach her N. Eastern provinces. And so on and so forth ..
India was playing the 'non-aligned' role in the 1950s and '60s. That role had its own importance and prestige at the time. I would not call that position "weak and impotent."
Again, let me challenge your concept of 'weak' and 'strong' countries. Those concepts are outdated. Strategic position on the geopolitical map is what the game is about. Why do you think Afghanistan was so important to both the Russians and the Americans? And now it is important to India and China. Read Pepe Escobar and his ideas about the whole area he calls Pipelinestan! He is accurate in his description and analysis of intentions and interests of various parties.
I am quite pleased about the increasing importance of Bangladesh in the geopolitical map. May be, for the first time in the history of US-BD relationship, the USA is going to take the principle of Bangladeshi secularism seriously.
Kind regards.
Farida Majid
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:07:51 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The Stockholm Syndrome -- for Jiten Roy
To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
CC: jnrsr53@yahoo.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com
"I am against India's hegemonic 'dada-giri' over its smaller neighbors."
I rather focus on one sentence. I agree with Ms. Majid but at the same time, I must say that is the nature of the beast. We do not live in a perfect world or neighborhood. If countries do not project their power, they are considered as weak and impotent. That is what happened to Indians in sixties. They wanted to follow the path of Gandhi and suddenly both China and Pakistan tried to take advantage of that weakness. Had India got a bomb in 1950's, nobody would have dared to challenge that country's resolve to protect its integrity. Had they taken a chunk of Pakistan and played that as bargain chip, Pakistan would have stopped terror activities long time ago. If Indians sent their covert terrorists to Pakistan, that too would have stopped Pakistan long time ago. But that was not done in time.
If you do not like Indian dadagiri, you should not like China, US and EU's dadagiris too- to their smaller neighbors. Ask China's neighbors how they feel Chinese hegemony? Ask Cuba and Venezuella about US hegemony on them? EU is not any better.
There will be always new Dada and Didis in our constantly changing world. as it will in your own little village. If Bangladesh were bigger and had the power, it too would have shown the same phenotype. You got some power, you play it whether people like it or not. I have not seen any exception so far.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] The Stockholm Syndrome -- for Jiten Roy
Good try to distort simple English by pretending that it was not simple English, but some coded language. Then Jiten Roy writes: "Let's see, if I can break the code".
The result was an absurd piece of nonsense. It is totally dishonest of Jiten Roy to claim that "Farida Majid considers Bangladesh is a hostage to India" when I am mocking and ridiculing the BNP/Jamaat and MBI Munshi-wallahs (Mohish Mohiuddin among them) in almost every post for their communalism manifested in their anti-India howling.
Jiten Roy's shallow knowledge of modern day India and its domestic situation is pathetic. Internationally India is considered a part of the emerging Superpower bloc, BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India China). In Brazil, Russia and China the starving poor do not run in such staggering numbers. The reason why there are starving Indians in the millions does not lie in the proverbial "poor India" but in India's mismanaged, corrupt system and negligent administrative capacities. I do not consider India to be a 'poor' country. My outrage against Indian Govt. (in which I'm joined by my progressive Indian friends) is about its perennially corrupt public delivery system, which is not the same as the blind communal anti-India hatred spewed by Munshi-wallahs of BD right-wing politics.
Jiten Roy forcibly pushing me in the camp of Munshi-Bahar- mohish mohiuddin says more about Jten Roy's character than about my political viewpoint.
I am against India's hegemonic 'dada-giri' over its smaller neighbors. I protested against India's covert intervention in Sri Lankan civil war in the 1980. I detest India's interference in Nepal' sovreignty. And I am absolutely against India's illegal building of dams and barrages on international rivers that flow downstream to Bangladesh. But these are regional tensions one lives with. BD does want to trade with Nepal and Bhutan on land, and for that it must get transit through India. India needs transit facilities through BD to reach her N. Eastern provinces. And so on and so forth ..
Let us get back to the issue of plain language. There is no code language used when I expressed my displeasure:
What the hell does Jiten Roy mean when he pontificates: "Usually, the situation of the down-trodden improves when a country prospers. It's a matter of time".
The notion that is presented in Jiten Roy's comment is a tautology, therefore it is meaningless, and it NEVER happened that way in the history of civilization. It is called a Ronald Reagan type of 'trickle down economy' theory which is a hoax and it brought down economic disaster in America. It was President Franklin D. Roosevelt who resisted the pressure of the Wall Street Robber Barons and began a worker-friendly economy that grew the middle class in America making it the economic giant of 20th century.
For centuries, all through the Mughal Empire, all the way up to the middle of 19th century, India was the richest country in the world because its economic prosperity depended upon the workers, farmers and traders and not on the rich and the powerful sucking the blood of the poor. The rich and the powerful of Mughal India did not even have ownership of private property.
Hence, in conclusion, I want to say that the Indo-Pak subcontinental BABU saheb class are a product of a colonized mind-set. These are the people, who, having been victims of racism and oppression of the British Raj, are now victimizing others less fortunate than themselves following the same principles of colonization.
Only the worst kind of 19th century Babu-type utters statements like
Usually, the situation of the down-trodden improves when a country prospers. It's a matter of time.
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:34:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The Stockholm Syndrome -- for Jiten Roy
The result was an absurd piece of nonsense. It is totally dishonest of Jiten Roy to claim that "Farida Majid considers Bangladesh is a hostage to India" when I am mocking and ridiculing the BNP/Jamaat and MBI Munshi-wallahs (Mohish Mohiuddin among them) in almost every post for their communalism manifested in their anti-India howling.
Jiten Roy's shallow knowledge of modern day India and its domestic situation is pathetic. Internationally India is considered a part of the emerging Superpower bloc, BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India China). In Brazil, Russia and China the starving poor do not run in such staggering numbers. The reason why there are starving Indians in the millions does not lie in the proverbial "poor India" but in India's mismanaged, corrupt system and negligent administrative capacities. I do not consider India to be a 'poor' country. My outrage against Indian Govt. (in which I'm joined by my progressive Indian friends) is about its perennially corrupt public delivery system, which is not the same as the blind communal anti-India hatred spewed by Munshi-wallahs of BD right-wing politics.
Jiten Roy forcibly pushing me in the camp of Munshi-Bahar- mohish mohiuddin says more about Jten Roy's character than about my political viewpoint.
I am against India's hegemonic 'dada-giri' over its smaller neighbors. I protested against India's covert intervention in Sri Lankan civil war in the 1980. I detest India's interference in Nepal' sovreignty. And I am absolutely against India's illegal building of dams and barrages on international rivers that flow downstream to Bangladesh. But these are regional tensions one lives with. BD does want to trade with Nepal and Bhutan on land, and for that it must get transit through India. India needs transit facilities through BD to reach her N. Eastern provinces. And so on and so forth ..
Let us get back to the issue of plain language. There is no code language used when I expressed my displeasure:
What the hell does Jiten Roy mean when he pontificates: "Usually, the situation of the down-trodden improves when a country prospers. It's a matter of time".
The notion that is presented in Jiten Roy's comment is a tautology, therefore it is meaningless, and it NEVER happened that way in the history of civilization. It is called a Ronald Reagan type of 'trickle down economy' theory which is a hoax and it brought down economic disaster in America. It was President Franklin D. Roosevelt who resisted the pressure of the Wall Street Robber Barons and began a worker-friendly economy that grew the middle class in America making it the economic giant of 20th century.
For centuries, all through the Mughal Empire, all the way up to the middle of 19th century, India was the richest country in the world because its economic prosperity depended upon the workers, farmers and traders and not on the rich and the powerful sucking the blood of the poor. The rich and the powerful of Mughal India did not even have ownership of private property.
Hence, in conclusion, I want to say that the Indo-Pak subcontinental BABU saheb class are a product of a colonized mind-set. These are the people, who, having been victims of racism and oppression of the British Raj, are now victimizing others less fortunate than themselves following the same principles of colonization.
Only the worst kind of 19th century Babu-type utters statements like
Usually, the situation of the down-trodden improves when a country prospers. It's a matter of time.
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:34:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The Stockholm Syndrome -- for Jiten Roy
We are totally on a new subject now - thanks to Farida Majid. Stockholm syndrome: When a hostage expresses empathy and positive feeling towards the captor to the point of defending them Let's see, if I can break the code. I was criticizing some anti-Indian comments, and praising India for their successes. May be Farida Majid considers Bangladesh is a hostage to India. Therefore, I was praising and defending the captor. Yes, I am suffering from the Stockholm syndrome. Eureka! Also, Farida Majid did not understand the following sentence - Usually, the situation of the down-trodden improves when a country prospers. I am sorry - I don't understand also why she could not understand the above sentence. Am I missing something? Jiten Roy --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
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