Also, people are interested in religion to assure a safe ride in the after world. How can you verify that promise? No one can.
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't have to set foot on the sun to realize how hot is it. You take some data and test them to figure out the surface of the sun is pretty close to what we call "Hell fire". Similarly if we examine the Qur'an which has plenty of verses that can be verified, we can take the rest of the verses as authentic.
When you were a student, you studied "On faith" that if he studied hard, you will end up with a nice life. There is no way to "Verify" these (For you) beforehand. You looked around spoke to people older than you and from their experiences accepted you course of life.
Plenty of people (Out of around 1.7 billion people) think about the Qur'an and questions the Qur'an (As a seeker). Qur'an is an "Unique" book which continues to give answers to people.
You need to establish your faith with verification, not with blind faith
>>>>>>> Absolutely. That is why I read books by atheist Aroj Ali Matubbor" and verified his "Concerns" first hand. Few people realize he distributed his properties among his children according to Islamic Sharia. So when he was older, he got much smarter and less angry (it started with a sad incident with his mother's dead body).
Similarly I try to see this topic from all points of views. I am a member of this forum not to validate my faith system but to be challenged. So far I am happy with what I learned here.
If a religion says - do not hurt anyone on purpose; you can believe in it, and you can apply it in your life to reap heavenly benefits
>>>>>>>>> Actually I studied and observed people who did hurt people for their selfish interest. Most of them are miserable. I think it is a good secular code of life as well. It gives us reward in this world as well.
In this post, I have shared my "Personal" view on faith matters. Hope it will be helpful answering some of your concerns.
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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>>>>>>>>> Member Subimal's statement/observation is closer to how a "Religious" person sees religion and member Roy's observation reflects how a anti-religious person view's religion.
Also it is right that, most religions spoke against gambling. Even in the US tax on alcohol and gambling is often called as "Sin tax". Most of the time taxes are high on these activities.
As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says. It also asks us to reflect and use our wisdom. To me it is a very pragmatic book that is often "Worshiped" (But not followed!) by some backward people.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
Quran promises believers will enjoy in the afterworld, including the promise of 72 Virgins, etc.?
>>>>>>> Where in the Qur'an it talks about 72 virgins?
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QR Said: As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says.
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Quran said really nice thing - verify what you believe in. I like that spirit.
But, the question is - how can you verify all those amenities of heaven that Quran promises believers will enjoy in the afterworld, including the promise of 72 Virgins, etc.? You can't.
Also, people are interested in religion to assure a safe ride in the after world. How can you verify that promise? No one can.
You need to establish your faith with verification, not with blind faith. You can trust something as a starting point only – then verify it to establish your confidence. If a religion says - do not hurt anyone on purpose; you can believe in it, and you can apply it in your life to reap heavenly benefits. That's the right way to go about religion. I agree!
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.
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"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.
--- On Sun, 7/1/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I think all the great religions have spoken against gambling. Sage Manu has disapproved of gambling. From Mahabharata we know that the pious kings had the custom of gambling. Yuthisthira lost in gambling his entire kingdom and even his and his four brothers' common wife Draupadi. Probably the author of this epic Vyasadev was also not in favor of gambling.
Economic history points to the fact that speculation in stock markets can be catastrophic. No doubt there is fun and excitement and sorrow as well associated with gambling. We have seen how gambling, wine, women can go hand in hand to ruin a person or a whole family. That's why I think religious prohibitions may be rooted in preserving or promoting the welfare of the followers.
Having said all this, I am not against gambling as a fun and gambling as a fund raising mechanism.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
Jiten Roy
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control.
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