Bro, make no mistake that the issue is not Abul but the future corruption of Bangladesh. That was the only reason why money was not given to Bangladesh. This is an outrage against a small country. Is there any country, which can guarantee a corruption free future? I do not think so.
Bangladesh should go ahead and build its own bridge with its own money and sweat!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How read ers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result
Is "Abul" is more important than Padma Bridge financing ?
My understanding is that, PM's arrogancy lost the opportunity of International financng by World Bank and other donors.
Honest administration is a must for huge project like Padma Bridge, Can Hasina claim that her administratyion s honest and dedicated
to national development ? I don't think so. She may be personally honest, What about Abul's, Black Cats and other dishinest Ministers
in her cabinet? How many Motia Chowdhury's or Nurul Islam Nahids remained in her cabinet ?
We need compleatly clean administration to build a huge project like Padma Bridgre by our own resource. Hungry ruling party
cadres and looters are waiting to share their booties once this project is in construction phase
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:35:56 -0700 (PDT)
It is all hypothetical. If Abul had been fired, the things would been totally different? We just do not know enough about that. As a poor country, Bangladesh has very little latitude with WB or other international organizations. As a sovereign country, Bangladesh should not allow itself to be dictated by a bank considering the mess the bankers had created since and before 2008. The characters are not any different from those big international banks. All are well connected! Only difference is that WB is more political and it needs constant lubrication until you get the money. We just do not know the real scoop of the story. Abul is basically a pawn and excuse in the game. Something else was wanted from Bangladesh and it did not give in and that broke the camels back.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
To: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result
Sorry to disagree. if WB needed to be lubricated, it was lubricated enough to have already come forward to grant the loan. Now was the question of releasing the money and the accusation of mega corruption in planning/managing/handling/sharing the cake. "Killing the cat in the first night," before it was too late. As the perception is, the entire Hasina govt from top to bottom is involved, so Baba Abul H, the man at the center, was not changed at first. He was changed after a lot of pressure. And changed only to another mega money portfolio. If the entire Govt had not been involved, Baba Abul H would have not only been changed but also fired long ago. If action was taken against Baba Abul by being fired and investigated and "hanged," WB would surely not have cancelled the contract. The fact of the matter is, Babu Abul was not alone, others must have been involved. So the Baba is still very much there drinking from another bottle. "Tora Je Ja Bolish Bhai, Amar Abul H Chai."
2012/7/9 Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
The decision was already taken not to grant the loan. Even Bangladesh government had hanged Mr. Hossain, the result would have been the same. All loans are basically political and needs constant lobbying with blood and sweat. The problem was that Bangladesh did not use much oil to lubricate the WB and it's stakeholders. Bangladesh should be able to survive this loan debacle. It is a great lesson for Bangladesh and hopefully it will make the nation stronger as opposed to what the creeps might be saying."All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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Subject: Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll resultনিজস্ব অর্থায়নে পদ্মা সেতুর কাজ শুরুর নির্দেশ
বিশ্বব্যাংককে আর অনুরোধ করবে না সরকার
বিশেষ প্রতিনিধি | তারিখ: ০৯-০৭-২০১২প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনা নিজস্ব অর্থায়নে দ্রুত পদ্মা সেতু নির্মাণের কাজ শুরু করার নির্দেশ দিয়েছেন। আজ সোমবার সচিবালয়ে মন্ত্রিসভার বৈঠকে তিনি এ নির্দেশ দেন। পরে মন্ত্রিপরিষদসচিব মোহাম্মদ মোশাররাফ হোসাইন ভূইঞা সাংবাদিকদের এ কথা জানান।
সভার বিষয় জানিয়ে সচিব বলেন, পদ্মা সেতুতে অর্থায়নের জন্য ঋণচুক্তির বিষয়ে বিশ্বব্যাংককে আর অনুরোধ করা হবে না। তবে বিশ্বব্যাংক যদি নিজের ভুল বুঝতে পেরে ঋণচুক্তি করে, তাহলে অর্থ নেওয়া হবে।
সভায় দ্রুত কাজ শুরু করার ব্যাপারে সিদ্ধান্ত হয়। তবে কবে নাগাদ পদ্মা সেতুর নির্মাণ কাজ শুরু করা হবে, এ সিদ্ধান্ত সেতু বিভাগ নেবে। সভায় বলা হয়, অর্থনীতির ওপর যেন চাপ না পড়ে, সেভাবেই কাজ করা হবে। অর্থায়নের ব্যাপারে এশীয় উন্নয়ন ব্যাংক (এডিবি), জাইকা ও ইসলামী উন্নয়ন ব্যাংকের (আইডিবি) সঙ্গে আলোচনা করা হবে। এ ছাড়া রিজার্ভ থেকে এক বিলিয়ন ডলার, বন্ড সংগ্রহ, উন্নয়ন বরাদ্দ, প্রবাসীদের পাঠানো রেমিট্যান্স থেকে অর্থ নিয়ে নির্মাণকাজ শুরু করতে হবে।পাঠকের মন্তব্য
পাঠকদের নির্বাচিত মন্তব্য প্রতি সোমবার প্রথম আলোর সম্পাদকীয় পাতায় প্রকাশিত হচ্ছে।সাইনইন
মন্তব্য প্রদানের জন্য সাইনইন করুনFrom: Capt. Farid Hossain <farid2002hossain@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll resultthanks for bringing out the truth.
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