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Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM



We are talking about some 500,000 Muslims from Spain. Was that all because of misunderstanding? How many Armenians were killed byTurks?
There is no misunderstanding between Europeans and Muslims. This is a war whether you see it or not. These European nations do not want to be overwhelmed by Muslim demography. That is the ugly truth!
-SD
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM

 
Misunderstanding of what? You think Europeans are bunch of idiots, who do not understand what Islam means? 'Great idea but you, idiots, you do not get it?' It sounds like a pygmy patronizing a great numbers of well educated and far superior civilized people of Europe. Please do not make yourself a fool. Go and live in any European city and find out what they talk about Islam. Most of them are very secular atheist minded and they do not entertain the idea that Islam is their solution. They are rather scared of Islamic migrant invasion and the changing demography? I see hardly any misunderstanding of these facts. Thank you.


>>>>>>>>>> It is always helpful that you READ my posts BEFORE you respond to it.

Here I have NOT called anyone "Idiot" (That is more of your style!). However the Europeans do have a long "History" (Many wars/conflicts over centuries) with Muslims. So it is quite obvious there are some misunderstandings between Muslims and non-Muslim Europeans. They lack knowledge of Islam since until recent years Europe was mostly a non-Muslim territory (Since forced deportation/murder of 1492). Also it is important to remember that, most of Muslim world was colonized by Europeans (Except Saudi Arabia and some smaller countries). So it is irrational to expect any "Love fest" instantly.

For example, Bangladeshis fought Pakistanis over 40 years ago, still our majority of politics revolves around 1971 and still it brings a lot of emotion among most of us.

Fortunately, since second world war many Muslims migrated to Europe and western world and relationship is slowly improving. But it is fair to say most western people don't know much about Islam. I am NOT blaming any parties but simply stating facts on ground.

Therefore, I disagree your idea that, there is no misunderstanding about Islam among Europeans. Those who live in or interact with western world knows VERY WELL that, there is a lot of "Opportunities" to remove misunderstanding of Islam in the western world.

Lastly, I do NOT consider all westerners fool neither do I consider myself a fool. I feel our Creator is fair to all of us and distributed fools and idiots among all nations of the world along with good people. ;-)

As I often say, there are good and bad people in all communities.

Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM

 
"Europe has been the center of many misunderstanding about Islam."

Misunderstanding of what? You think Europeans are bunch of idiots, who do not understand what Islam means? 'Great idea but you, idiots, you do not get it?' It sounds like a pygmy patronizing a great numbers of well educated and far superior civilized people of Europe. Please do not make yourself a fool. Go and live in any European city and find out what they talk about Islam. Most of them are very secular atheist minded and they do not entertain the idea that Islam is their solution. They are rather scared of Islamic migrant invasion and the changing demography? I see hardly any misunderstanding of these facts. Thank you.
-SD 
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM

 
It is not the most important point in a discussion about religion but it has some importance. The fact that, a great number of Europeans reverting to Islam is noteworthy. Europe has been the center of many misunderstanding about Islam.

It is nice to see educated and successful men and women are accepting this faith on their own.

Because of the history Muslims had with mainly Christian Europe, it is worth making a note.

Personally I am more pleased that, many of these highly successful new Muslims are taking a lead on removing misunderstanding about Islam.

Having said that, I agree no one should gloat about it. Most of the people who "Gloat" are the once who does next to nothing to promote Islam. They just want to brag about Islam, their nation, political party, family.......and God knows what else.

It is important to understand, converting is a PERSONAL issue. Islam stands against forcing people to convert (Source: Al Qur'an 2:256).


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 6:43 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Fw: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM

 
So what? What is there to beat your chest about? The right question would be how many of these new converts (mostly blacks) would ever bring  you a Nobel prize? Does Islam need more song and dance from these notorieties? Grow up, bud! There is nothing to gloat about making another black or white man a new convert.  It is very childish and immature!
-SD

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Amer Aleem <ameraleem@yahoo.com>
To: Amer Aleem <ameraleem@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] GREAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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