It is not so difficult if one is sincere. Many countries of the world has blocked u-tube altogether and u-tube (Google) blocked it on behalf of some countries. Our PM also requested Google to put down this slanderous movie which is offensive to billions of people all over the world. It is interesting to note that, some of these government who decided to block this "Crap-clip" are non-Muslims. For example Singapore stuck a nice balance between freedom and dignity. They said...
SINGAPORE - The Government has requested for Internet search engine Google to restrict access to the YouTube video clip "Innocence of Muslims" in Singapore.
The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said today that "in view of security concerns that have arisen following the release of the film", it took the "pre-emptive measure of asking MDA (Media Development Authority) to make the request to Google to block online access to the film to prevent similar violent incidents from taking place here".
Since its release, the controversial anti-Islam film has sparked off violent protests and riots that resulted in deaths and injuries in many parts of the world, including several countries in the region.
Google is currently considering the request, said the MDA in a statement.
"The Ministry of Home Affairs has informed us that the YouTube video clip "Innocence of Muslims" contains material that is contrary to the public interest and incites "religious hatred, strife or intolerance" and is therefore in breach of Singapore's laws," said the MDA. "In response, we have directed Google to restrict access to the video in Singapore."
Urging members of the public to refrain from re-posting the video or adding comments that may further inflame the situation, the MHA said: "The continued circulation of this film is likely to cause disharmony or feelings of ill will between different groups in Singapore."
The MHA added that any act which promotes disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious or racial groups is an offence under Sec 298A of the Penal Code.
[ Source: http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC120919-0000137/Spore-Govt-asks-Google-to-restrict-access-to-anti-Islam-film]
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:37 am
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
Personally I simply ignore such garbage which does not have any historical links to the characters they claim to portray. During election year, a lot of ugly things happens. It is too early to speak with any certainty about the clip.
What I know about it is it simply supported every "Typical orientalist" stereotype. In popular lingo these are known as "Hit piece" which lacks substance. Albeit I don't think this spoof of the noble messenger of God (PBUH) will do any damage to Islam or the last prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
However I am very sadden to see innocent civilians die because of such lose enforcement of "Hate speech".
Thus, it would be wrong to accuse the US government of 'allowing' this video to be circulated.
I have a little idea about US constitution and how it has been applied in last few hundred years. I am ALSO aware of the FACT that, US sent over 50,000 INNOCENT Japanese-American citizens to internment camps to prevent loss of lives (Of white Americans for all practical purpose). I can give you a very long list of such actions to prevent loss of innocent lives by the constitution bound US government.
I am just shocked to see that, US would risk lives of so many for a home made Amateur movie, which is probably more fitting for Saturday Night live than mainstream movie goers.
Again in the US, if you scream fire (If there is no actual fire) in the middle of a movie theater, you can be arrested for that crime ( I am 100% sure of it). Similarly if someone makes a porn movie about Hindu goddesses and Sri Krisna, they should be arrested as well. Because without context most people will be mislead by such movie. Albeit Sri Krisna is believed to have hundreds of wives by Hindus. Just mentioning without context will give the wrong impression.
Therefore when we deal with such sensitive issues, we have to be more careful for all practical purpose. Here no one knows who made this movie. The actors claims they don't even know about this project. Does it sound or look like a "Normal" movie?
Just like US government increased security measures for "Public safety", they can monitor against abuse of "Free speech". The concept was meant to foster lively discussions, debates among people not hatred, libel, slander against innocent people.
Don't try to give me definition of "Free speech", I think we are mature enough to get past elementary discussion and go deeper.
Therefore, I am not very worried about lives of people who are protesting the movie. Most of them would love to die to show their love for the noble prophet (PBUH) but I am concerned about people who are in the middle of this mess but did not expect such mayhem. I am concerned about thousands of travelers who have to face extra level of scrutiny for this "Crap". The security department workers who have to work extra hours. At the end of the day, it will cost a lot more money to US tax payers for such horrible oversight.
Still I am certain US constitution was not meant to "protect" slander/libel against great people. Also this kind of blunder only helps so called "Communal" wings of our communities. They act as a recruiting agent for such fringe groups.
Even the maker of the movie (Who is believed to be a criminal and fraud) is not defending the movie, why should US government?
Shalom!
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My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA.
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The most important responsibility of any government is to protect innocent citizens and their dignity. It seems like the US government is still finding it difficult to strike a difference between 'Free speech" (Allowed by most western laws) and "Hate speech" (Not permitted by most western countries).
07:17 PM Sep 19, 2012
-----Original Message-----
"I am not very worried about lives of people who are protesting the movie. Most of them would love to die to show their love for the noble prophet (PBUH) but I am concerned about people who are in the middle of this mess but did not expect such mayhem. I am concerned about thousands of travelers who have to face extra level of scrutiny for this "Crap". The security department workers who have to work extra hours. At the end of the day, it will cost a lot more money to US tax payers for such horrible oversight."
These are probably the moderate Muslims, who have been sidelined long time ago. If they utter a single word, they will be called as infidels and may face mob justice in any Islamic countries except Turkey, I suppose. You are also right about Americans bumping their security level to another notch. Not because they would love it but they would not cave in to any pressure from the Islamic groups. Ironically, Muslims will be treated exactly as the Japanese Americans were treated during the second world war. History will repeat itself even it might not be fair for the Muslims. Would you blame Americans for being mean? I won't!
The door will be totally closed for the Muslim students to study in the US universities. Muslims will be totally sidelined in the US. Even the great American constitution would not be much help if push comes to shove, trust me on that! Do you think Islamic countries would be able to provide their population the education that they need for the next decades. The Europeans and Chinese may take the same route against the Muslims. So, who really win from this idiotic mob violence? Not Muslims! There will be another film soon or later because these idiots are readily agitated and insulted. The prophet has been dead for long time. If he were alive, he probably would not have cared much about this insult or caricature. People need to grow up and be little self confident in their religions. I hope people do not treat their religions as some sort of fragile objects. Thank you.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Gentlemen,
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is fair to say we knew that this kind of junk generally gets a reaction from the crowd. I am not worried about my "Honor" or even honor of my religion. Because crap will wash away in few days but this time this little stunt caused few lives!!
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I think QAR does not know the logical definition of "hate speech."
Most Americans, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and myself, who have strongly condemned the video, "Innocence of Muslims", have found it to be disgusting and distasteful. It is disgusting because it has insulted and mocked the prophet of Islam, which serves no other purpose but making the Muslims angry.
Making someone, or even millions of people, angry or upset does not fall in the category of "hate speech." A "hate speech" would ask people to commit one or more crimes such as killing, torturing, raping, etc. The video did not ask people to commit any such crime. That is why the maker of the video could not be prosecuted under US laws just for making and showing the video. However, the allegations of dubbing to change the words without the approval of the actors, if true, would certainly allow the actors to sue the maker of the video. Of course, any other unrelated crime, such as the bank fraud case that has been in the media, could also land the suspected maker of the video into legal hot waters.
While Hillary Clinton expressed her condemnation of the video, she also said, "We do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views no matter how distasteful they may be." In fact, the US constitution does not give the government the authority to stop individual citizens from expressing their views, no matter how distasteful they may be. Thus, it would be wrong to accuse the US government of 'allowing' this video to be circulated.
Sukhamaya Bain
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As much as I abhor the u-tube "Filth" some people call a film. I do not think US government would murder it's own diplomat. Like all societies US has it's share of flaws but it also has some great qualities as a country. A per-world war ll insignificant country had some greatness in it to become what it is today. One of my uncles fought for the British Royal Air force during second world war and he told me stories of that war when I was a kid. He said even back then Americans were generous, friendly and loved humor lot more then the "British".
>>>>>>>> So far bunch of "Middle eastern" fanatic Jews and Christians are suspect behind this very "Unique" project. It is very sad that, a hate filled film(With tons of distorted information) was "Allowed" to circulate and cause so much harm all over the world. Even in the US, free speech is protected but "HATE SPEECH" is against the law. In this digital world even America has to learn to act quickly, because I felt many "Copy cats" are working in their basements with similar projects. I also hope Muslims need to realize these are NOT work of any government. Just some very suspicious groups who work to put "hate" in as many hearts it can. Therefore, it has unmistakeably ME connection but a Jewish/Christian one. (Based on what we know until now). Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
Let me explain my problem with most of your comments, they are usually 1 – 2 liners. So, usually, we have to guess what you mean. I am glad that you clarified your political bent. I believe, most people in this forum support democratic platform. That's fine with me. Political talks in this forum is meaningless. I can give hundred reasons why I support other party, but - nobody will change their mind. Then what's the point. So, let's stay away from politics.
The other issue you raised is interesting. You said you are staying away from US pressure-cooker society. I am not sure what that means. As far as I know, a substantial part of your life has been spent in the USA; you received higher education here, and worked here until retirement. Now, you feel US society is a pressure-cooker, and you live outside. It will be interesting if you care to explain a bit more on this, because I also think this society is moving away from the traditional values that made this country great. I do not like what I see recently.
You said that USA arranged and/or sat back while Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor, so that they can bomb Japan into Stone Age. It is apparent from your statements that – you are a contrarian, and believe in the conspiracy theories. You probably also believe 9/11 was planned by George Bush administration so they can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA. All these are a bit nutty to me, to put it mildly. Then again, what do I know about the truth? After all, human-beings are the most dangerous animals on the planet.
Jiten Roy
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