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Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ



Not at all!  What I said is - SOME members of the majority group will get alienated hearing the unvarnished talks of the minority oppression; they will not come forward to help minorities. Fortunately, they are not the majority of the majority group.  

Jiten Roy

--- On Tue, 10/23/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 12:03 AM

 
You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you are saying that in time of need, the majority will not come forward  to help you. On the other hand you are saying that they are protesting against the carnage and reporting violence against the minorities. Your latter position is more realistic. During communal mayhem and the occupation period the members of the minority community got help from the members of the majority in various forms. Simply reflect on your past. 
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On Oct 22, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

If talking about your issues alienates some majority, rest assured – they will not help you when you need them.  Sugar-coating the reality to appease them is a dishonest practice.

 

Yes, we need help from the majority, and they will be there if you let them be aware of your problems. I believe, Muslim free-thinkers are well aware of what's going on with minorities in Bangladesh and Pakistan? Many of them are openly talking about the discrimination of religious minorities in Bangladesh and in Pakistan. They are familiar with minority problems. Bangladeshi News media are printing them every day.  Many of them came forward to protect Buddhists community in Bangladesh, this time around. This is what we need. Minorities need to bring their grievances to the general folks, who are basically secular. Hunky-dory sugar-coated talks from minorities will not serve that purpose. In fact, it will mislead the people. I am sure regular folks in Bangladesh are ready for straight-talks, no matter where they fall. Rest assured, some people will get alienated by your straight-talks; but - that's not the reason to stop talking about them.

 

Awami Leaguers were also involved in the carnage on Buddhist community and they may not like to hear the truth either, and get alienated. To appease them, you cannot just blame BNP/Jamat. If you do, you are only encouraging Awami Leaguers to screw the minority even more next time. Minorities have been a pawn of Awami League for so long, and see what they have been getting for that loyalty. Just look at incidents in Chittagong, Nandirhat, Satkhira, etc. Awami League is using minority oppressions for their political gain.

 

When it comes to religious issues, there is very little difference between Awami League and BNP. Unfortunately, minority issues are, by in large, religious discriminations. The only reason BNP has very little minority support is because of their stupid communal politics; in their world minorities are all agents of some foreign countries, especially Hindus are all RAW agents. Anti-India propaganda is what BNP uses to polarize their base. On the other hand, Awami League appeases minorities by sugar-coating their communal intent under the guise of the so called "Secularism." You know that attacks on minority communities and temples are going on unabated under Awami League government, and many of them are being perpetrated by the so called Awami Leaguers.

 

I can understand tunnel-vision from a member of the majority community, on the ground that they have no experience of communality directly. But such vision from a member of the minority community is unexpected. I noticed, every time you talk about minority issues in Bangladesh, you bring some minority issues in India to counter balance. That's what I expect from a member of the majority group, not from a member of a victim community. Victims usually cry for help for themselves, not for some other victims in a distant land. But, that's what you do.

 

If you still like the sugar-coated appeasement strategy, you can do it. But, remember that we have been there and done that before, and the problem is still getting worse.

 

Jiten Roy

 
--- On Sun, 10/21/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 10:51 PM

 
If you think this kind of articles will serve the minority interests in Bangladesh, go ahead and promote more of this. I have expressed my opinion only. You and your cohorts have not monopolized watching Hindu rights in Bangladesh. You do your way and I will do my way. 
Listen, to protect human rights of the Hindus in Bangladesh, you must need help from the majority also. You cannot alienate everybody and guarantee the minority human rights. 

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On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

This article reflects writer's emotional outburst over minority situation in Bangladesh. It is true - there are some inflammatory languages and some harsh words towards Muslims, but – it has also pointed out many realities about the plights of minority communities ib Bangladesh.  One can find them only when he/she has the right aptitude for it. He could not sugar-coat the truth due to his emotion. I liked the straight-talks. Most people divert the reality to appease people instead of reporting the reality on the ground.

It is true that Muslims can support other Muslim countries openly without being called as agents of those countries. Many people preach for middle-eastern countries, even though Bangladeshi-Muslims are treated there as Miskins. Hindus cannot preach for India like that without being called RAW agents right away. That's a fact. It is also true that very few ever got punished for atrocities on religious minorities. I haven't heard of anybody ever got unprecedented punishment for talking part in the communal riots. It is true that government becomes bystander when minority communities are under attack. It is true Awami League is infiltrated by many razakars, which may explain why minority situation remains the same even when Awami League comes to power.

How come none of those points caught your attention? Instead, you seemed to be offended by this article because of the term - Urdu is a bustard language. It seems like - you are getting clueless day by day.

Jiten Roy

 

--- On Sun, 10/21/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: বাংলাদেশ সাম্প্রদায়িক সম্প্রীতির দেশ
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 12:07 PM

 
It is a badly written article. It is the screaming of a frustrated angry man belonging to a religiously minority section. We should feel sorry for the writer. He does not understand or does not want to understand politics or the workings of the society. His obsession with minority persecution in Bangladesh has made him miss the bigger picture. This low level journalism does not help promote minority cause at all. It rather causes confusion and throws away the baby with dirty water. Also it strengthens the hands of the reactionary forces home and abroad. His description of Urdu as a bastard language is laughable. He sees every perpetrator as a Jihadi ("jongi" if my translation is right)!
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On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com> wrote:
 


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