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Sunday, April 28, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] IS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE? -- ATLAS SHRUGS - 18 ARTICLES ON ISLAM





Using children as warriors is not unique among the jihadists. Prabhakaran of LTTE used to use child soldiers as young as 8 years old. We also know that suicide bombing was a common practice of LTTE in their fight for self determination. 

>>>>>>>>>>> I did not deny it. However I have NEVER seen or heard of any Islamic teachings that requires us to use young children in wars. In fact, I know few hadiths (Saying of prophet Muhammad PBUH) which says the OPPOSITE.


It is physically impossible for me to know what EVERY Muslim groups are doing in every parts of the world. I have no intention to defend any unethical choices but I CAN tell you that, Islam does NOT requires us to do such a thing.

I am sure most Sri Lankan Hindus don't wake up in the morning thinking of sending their kids with suicide vests (They are the one who INVENTED suicide bombing!!) but they do that!!

You have to ask them to find out their reasons behind such choices.



We all are captives of our beliefs. There comes a time when we need to break our shells of the rigidity of our beliefs. I respect your liberty to portray Islam as a religion of peace. But I have pointed to your inconsistency when it comes to your tolerance (or silence if you will) of Hefajat-e-Islam's 13-point demand

>>>>>>>> Actually I did mentioned that, in a live talk show one of the leaders admitted it is impossible to implement all of those demands. Hefazat is not in power and they are mostly unknown to me.  
As per our own administration, they have been peaceful in their first meeting in Dhaka. They were thanked for being so peaceful.

You are right, I did not congratulate them for it.

Personally they have to stay in the limelight few more hours before I can have an educated opinion about them. They have been doing pretty much what they said, they wanted to do.

However I did notice couple of provocative statements (Which is VERY common for BD politicians) and may be they will evolve into a political platform. Too early to confirm my doubts, so stay tuned.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 28, 2013 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] IS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE? -- ATLAS SHRUGS - 18 ARTICLES ON ISLAM

 
I was referring to your wholesale denial which is unnecessary. Just by looking at the headlines anybody can say that at least some of the news items are almost established facts although some of them are still under investigation. 

Using children as warriors is not unique among the jihadists. Prabhakaran of LTTE used to use child soldiers as young as 8 years old. We also know that suicide bombing was a common practice of LTTE in their fight for self determination. 

We all are captives of our beliefs. There comes a time when we need to break our shells of the rigidity of our beliefs. I respect your liberty to portray Islam as a religion of peace. But I have pointed to your inconsistency when it comes to your tolerance (or silence if you will) of Hefajat-e-Islam's 13-point demand. I reiterate that by being active or passive supporter of Hefajat you are rather doing disservice to Islam. 

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On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:43 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
Having said this, I should also say that Mr. Rahman's overreaction is unnecessary. I don't know if Mr. Rahman sees himself as an Islamist or not, but by now it has been well established that he is always desperate to glorify and defend Islam; he does not let any such opportunity to do so to go in vain. Love for Islam should not be translated to defending criminal acts committed by the Jihadists or being silent or indifferent when such crimes are committed. It is true that Mr. Rahman does not defend criminal acts, rather he is against such acts. But this is not enough. He is very prompt in picking an unfounded news item to emphasize that the criminals involved in recent Savar building collapse are all from AL (his favorite acronym BAL).

>>>>>>>>> I have no problem if you found my reaction "Unnecessary" but when I see HATE being promoted, I react to it. This is NOT limited to Islamic issues, I have done it on behalf of Christians, Jews and Hindus as well (In real life and cyber life).

I think standing up against hate mongering is necessary.

There was a post collected from WND. Run by a Labanese American Right wing extremist name Jospeh Farah. How crazy is he? Let me share a little...


Bachmann Endorses WND Prayer Event that Likens Homosexuality to Terrorism



Michele Bachmann has heartily endorsed the WorldNetDaily prayer effort to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks by praying against terrorism, nuclear war and homosexuality. WND editor and birther leader Joseph Farah claimed today that the day of prayer is needed to stop comprehensive immigration reform, the government's supposed plans to stockpile weapons to "impose de facto firearms restrictions on citizens" and gay rights advocates who seek to "make the citizenry of Sodom and Gomorrah blush.".................................................
 
These people are fanatically anti-immigrant and people of color. Today their favorite topic is "Islam", it is just a matter of time when your color, nationality or religion will be the next "Flavor of the day" to these nut jobs!! 


I am sure some of you (Those who live in the US) remember Bachmann very well.

Let me go back a Pam Geller a bit (A link supplied by member Bidyut Das)....


Geller to Obama: Muhammad 'May Be Your Prophet But He's Not Mine'

Fresh from speaking at CPAC, Pamela Geller appeared yesterday on TruNews with End Times fanatic and anti-Obama conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles where she implied that President Obama may be a Muslim..................................................................


One more


L.I. Synagogue Cancels Controversial Pamela Geller Speech

11 April 2013 General 9 Comments Email This Post Email This Post
Pamela Geller an anti-Islam demonstration in Stockholm, on August 4, 2012. (Credit: FREDRIK PERSSON/AFP/GettyImages)
Pamela Geller an anti-Islam demonstration in Stockholm, on August 4, 2012. (Credit: FREDRIK PERSSON/AFP/GettyImages)
GREAT NECK, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — A Long Island synagogue has canceled a controversial speech by conservative firebrand Pamela Geller
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To be more specific about comments by member Subimal. I do try to remove distortion against religion of Islam. However I NEVER promote violence. Neither I make excuses for criminals. Those people who harm innocent people are criminals.

I understand your favourite political party gotten into a tough spot but I am exactly a fan of any political party. If you are hurt by the "News", it is authentic and there are TONS of more links that I did not share. Because I do not like personal attacks or offensive material against any party. The whole nation is SAD about the event in Ashulia and people of our country are eager to punish the criminal who committed a "Crime against humanity". Too bad he belongs to BAL but our honorable PM promised us that, she will punish all criminals even if this maggot was a BAL lover.

I respect her leadership in this and hope she will deliver her promise and deliver justice to thousands of grieving families all over the country.


If you want to sugar coat this "Sub-human animal", you are welcome to but people of this country (Irrespective of religion or location) will be against you. It has been the topic of the nation for last few days. Our army, our students, our common people volunteered with money, time, equipment to the best of their ability.


I am very proud of our people and VERY sad for the people who suffered huge losses for this tragedy.


If I "Offended" you by picking on this criminal, I think you should re-examine your thought process and logic.


I am very comfortable with mine.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 27, 2013 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] IS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE? -- ATLAS SHRUGS - 18 ARTICLES ON ISLAM

 
Why one needs a slogan - "Islam is a religion of peace" in the first place. A peaceful religion will manifest itself in due course. People will know. Such slogan only makes people skeptical about the intent. No other religions has such thing, and it did not make them "violent religions."

Jiten Roy


--- On Fri, 4/26/13, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] IS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE? -- ATLAS SHRUGS - 18 ARTICLES ON ISLAM
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 26, 2013, 10:56 PM

 
There are reasons for one to become speechless after he watches the 5-year-old kids having arms training for Jihad. I tried to open some of the links given without success. I am sure all of them are not unfounded. But it is also true that the Islamophobic captionIS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE?  is misleading and neither proves nor disproves the assertion that that Islam is not a religion of peace the reason being that the said caption is based on only a tiny fraction of all news items related to aspirations of the Muslims worldwide. 
 


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