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Friday, May 31, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims



Thank you Sir.
 
With my little knowledge my understanding is the Quranic Ayah can be interpreted in different ways - it does not specifically say when to send prayers for the prophet and how to salute him (just says with respect). It does not say anything about 'Sallalahu Alaihe Wa Sallam'. Some one can very well show respect by saying 'Ya Nabi, Salam Alaika', by reciting 'Balagal Ula Bi-Kamalihi ...', or by 'Balleg Salama fi-ha Rawzatin-Muhtasham' (the last one will be considered Bidah by Salafis/Wahabis - it was written by Imam Ali Ibn-Hussayn, aka Zayn-Al-Abedin). :-)
 
The first Ahadith mentioned by you from Tirmidhi Sharif tells that it is mandatory, the other refernces just show that it is recommended. Also none of those says that it has to be done everytime someone pronounces the name of the prophet, anyone can recite Darud anytime and as many time he or she likes. In the sub-continent people do sing thousands of Naat-e-Rasul.:-)
 
Also all sects of Muslims do not give equal importance to all ahadiths. The 2 imams I mentioned were Salafi Imams. My personal observation is that Salafis give very high importance to the literal meaning, they do not look for Niyah (intention). I did not mention any Pakistani, the other Arabs I mentioned are just ordinary people, they just follow what they inherit from local culture.
 
I apologize for any misrepresentation, I am not qualified to explain Quranic verses or Ahadiths, just stated what came to my mind.
 
Having said that, it was not my intention to establish something as mandatory or not, I just stated my observation and unfortunately some sort of opinion in the last post. My main point is how people observe their religion depend on their personal belief, opinion and is greatly influenced by the culture they live in. Also religious belief can be a small element of culture, it can not dominate the complete culture. I also said that interpretation/manifestation of religion is more human in the Sub-continent. 
 
So far I did not say anything about my personal conviction. I strongly believe that religion may help people by reducing stress (like someone may leave everything to Ishwar/Allah in times of trouble) but it can never be a complete code of life. Also if someone takes literal meaning, all religious scriptures may be seen as full of contradictions.
 
Regards
 
 
 
 


From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; mahbubk2002@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
As I said, it is wrog to assume every Saudi or Pakistani are "some kind of point of reference". Anyway brother, I am sharing what I know about this tradition. Again I am going back to our holy scriptures, it is not my personal opinion.
"May Allāh honor him and grant him peace.": (Arabic: صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ ṣall Allāhu ʿalay-hi wa-sallam - S.A.W., SAAW, or SAAS) - this expression follows specifically after saying the name of the last prophet of Islam, Muhammad.
In Arabic these salutations are called ṣalawāt, and are abbreviated by some with the use of SAW (in accordance with the Arabic words sallallahu alayhi wasallam) or PBUH (which stands for Peace be upon him in English)

Quranic evidence for asking the prayers on Muhammad

Peace be upon him, written in Arabic
In the translation of the meanings of the Qur'an in Surah 33 entitled Al-Ahzab (The Confederates), ayah (verse) 56:
Allah and His angels send prayers on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye prayers on him, and salute him with all respect.
—Al-Ahzab[5]

Hadith evidence for asking the prayers on Muhammad

The evidence for sending Salah on Muhammad is not limited to the Qur'an. It is also found in hadith about Muhammad. Examples include:
Al-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Hurairah said:
The Messenger of Allah said, "May he be humiliated, the man in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send Salah upon me; may he be humiliated, the man who sees the month of Ramadan come and go, and he is not forgiven; may he be humiliated, the man whose parents live to old age and they do not cause him to be granted admittance to Paradise."
—Abu Hurairah
Al-Tirmidhi said that this hadith was, "Hasan gharib" (Good but only reported once).
In Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abi Dawood, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, and Al-Sunan al-Sughra (Sunan al-Nasa'i), four of the six major Sunni hadith collections, recorded that Abu Hurairah said,
The Messenger of Allah said: "Whoever sends one salah upon me, Allah will send ten upon him."
—Abu Hurayrah
One morning the Messenger of Allah was in a cheerful mood and looked happy. They said, "Oh Messenger of Allah, this morning you are in a cheerful mood and look happy." He said, "Of course, just now someone [an angel] came to me from my Lord [Allah] and said, 'Whoever among your Ummah sends Salah upon you, Allah will record for him ten good deeds and will erase for him ten evil deeds, and will raise his status by ten degrees, and will return his greeting with something similar to it.'"
—Abu Talha ibn Thabit
The isnad (chain of narrators) of this hadith is good.
Hope this will be some help to some of you. Shalom!


-----Original Message-----From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:17 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
Thanks Mr. Rahman.
 
1. I knew a number of Saudis (at least 2 of them were very religious - they were imams) and Egyptians, Syrians, Moroccans and one Algerian. None of them used anything after the Prophet's name. If it was mandatory (I mean someting to do with 'core' of Islam, not belonging to any sect), then at least the imams should have followed it. I should have put 'invention' within quotation though - there is a chance that it was introduced by one of the sufi awlias who propagated Islam to this part of the world.
 
2. I have put 'kabira gunah' inside quote-marks :-)
 
 

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:55:13 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
I am not exactly sure, but my guess is Sallallahu Alaihe Wa Sallam and PBUH are inventions from Indian sub-continent. I have never heard any Arab to add either after the name of the prophet of Islam.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not an "invention". It is very much part of Islam. However it is true many Arabs don't follow it. I have seen many do. Guess we have "Extra" expectations from every Arab but they are like most of us. Some are very religious and some are less.  In Indian sub-continent it is a 'kabira gunah' if you just say Muhammad insttead of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihe Wa Sallam : >>>>>>>>>>> It is recommended but I don't think not saying it is a major sin. Also touching Quran without performing wudhu is a big sin in this part of the world, some will not even touch any Arabic writing without wudhu. >>>>>>>>>> Doing ablution (Wudu) is recommended but it is certainly NOT mandatory. I agree with you this is misunderstood in our sub-continent culture. Maybe those who brought Islam to this part of the world were afraid that unless we take every ritual seriously, we'll forget about Islam (Which actually happened in South America and some parts of central Asia). Irrespecive of religion, people of the sub-continent go extra steps to show respect to prophets, deities, sadhus, 'awlia's and elders. >>>>>>>> !00% agree on it. But as far as Muslims are concern, we rely too much (More than necessary) on people over our holy scriptures (The Qur'an and Hadith). For some of the honoured subscribers in this forum, above is just a personal observation and does not cover all details and exceptions. >>>>>>>> Very good observation. Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 12:32 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
I am not exactly sure, but my guess is Sallallahu Alaihe Wa Sallam and PBUH are inventions from Indian sub-continent. I have never heard any Arab to add either after the name of the prophet of Islam. In Indian sub-continent it is a 'kabira gunah' if you just say Muhammad insttead of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihe Wa Sallam :-) Also touching Quran without performing wudhu is a big sin in this part of the world, some will not even touch any Arabic writing without wudhu.
 
Irrespecive of religion, people of the sub-continent go extra steps to show respect to prophets, deities, sadhus, 'awlia's and elders. Until recent influx of Wahabi influence (and ultra Hindutta-bad as counter-reaction - may be I am generalizing too much) introduced extremism, religion was more human and humane in the sub-continent and Malay peninsula.
 
For some of the honoured subscribers in this forum, above is just a personal observation and does not cover all details and exceptions.
 
BTW, Hazrat is not an Arabic word.
 
Dhannyabad

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
MR: "For how long will you criticize all aspects of Muslims on this forum?"
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said
"Be merciful to those on the earth, so the one in the heavens will be merciful upon you" At Tabarani
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Mr. Rahman,

All discussions stemmed from your above posting. Why did you post such message if you did not want any discussion on your comments? This is a discussion forum. 
 
Anyway, I liked rest of your reply; I am satisfied with your reasoning behind the "peace be upon him" prayer. It makes logical sense to me.
Thanks.

Jiten Roy

From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
In reply to Mr Sukhamaya Bain's query:

When Muslims say PBUH when the name of Muhammad is pronounced, peace is sent back to them also by Allah. It is just as when  a soldier salutes a general, the general also salutes him back. Now a soldier saluting a general is not important for the general, but when the general salutes the soldier, its is important for the soldier. He feels good. So when Allah pays back a Muslim for showing respect to HIS Prophet, its value is far more.
For how long will you criticize all aspects of Muslims on this forum?

Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:29:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims 
Logically such custom is redundant, because he is already at peace being the most favorite person of Allah. I believe this is what they were asked to do, and they just follow that without question.  

Now, Prophet has mandated Muslims to be merciful, yet so much violence we see even in the Muslim majority countries, like Pakistan, Iraq, etc. Most of these violences are caused by orthodox religious people. Almost everyday in Iraq, you will see 50/60 people are dying due to sectarian clashes. Here is the irony - orthodox Muslims may forget to be merciful, but they never forget to pray for Prophet's peace. 

Jiten Roy


From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
I have been thinking about a question for a while. While I have been quite vocal about injustices and atrocities that are being committed in the world by Muslims, using, misusing and abusing their religion, I generally do not criticize the specifics of the religion. As I wrote quite a few times, the religions do not have to be perfect, and we cannot go back in time to change any of the so-called revelations or words of wisdom. What I advocate is for people to use their own common sense to follow what is worth following, and discard what is stupid and hateful.
 
Now the question to the serious Muslims. Why PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) after Mohammad, the prophet of Islam? He is supposed to be the most favorite human that God (Allah in Arabic) almighty has created, according to Islam. Of all humans, he is supposed to have the most peace already. He certainly does not need any human's wish. Why do humans wish him peace? Saluting him, calling him great, etc., I can understand from a believer's perspective. But wishing him peace does not make sense at all. Any logical answer to this simple question that I am asking with absolutely no malice?
 
Sukhamaya Bain 
 
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From: Mohammad Rahman <mrahman246@yahoo.com>
To: Karim Chowdhury <karim718@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
 
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said
"Be merciful to those on the earth, so the one in the heavens will be merciful upon you" At Tabarani
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