>>>>>>>> By painting the Hindu goddess nude? If this is what you are refering to, it was.
Some artists do things to be creative but others do become offensive to get some attention. I have not spoken to him but IF his intention was to give some "Shock" to the audience, it was morally wrong.
2. You have read Taslima. What criminal acts has she committed? Can you give an example?
>>>>>>>>> There are too many. She freely distorted message and meaning of Islam too many times. For example, her mocking of the prophet in (Book names ka-Dokhondito). Then distorting meaning of verses of the Qurán at page 44 stating Muslims are chopping hands of all non-Muslims and it was an order from the Qurán. Also saying Muslims cannot be friends with non-Muslims. Both of these statements are blatantly FALSE. Again the whole book has too many of these "Bone headed garbage".
I can go on and on but why do you ask? Why my statement was not enough to satisfy you? Needed examples? 
>>>>>>>>> I am a strong supporter of justice thus fundamentally agree with the demand for justice. However some young half educated idiots (Who thinks critical thinking is cursing others, religion etc) made this a liability for BAL. If it lasted for a week or two, it was golden but there were politicans who wanted to "Milk our war of Independence" for political purpose, so it backfired in a big way. There are other nuanced activities which were not approved by common Bangladeshis. The following voted reflected that anger.
I always say common people of Bangladesh prefer religion over not having one BUT they are NOT fanatics.
So if BNP can manage to come back to power, they should send a big thank you note to Imran Sarkar for doing stuff they could never do (BNP failed to play the role of responsible opposition but when you take BAL as opposition, they do all the work!).
4. So those who preach atheism are not free thinkers. Those who challenge the well established figures are not free thinkers. That's what you want to say?
>>>>>>>> NO. Atheists can be atheist without making up stuff or insult other belief system. IN fact there are millions of non-practicing Muslims out there and they live peacefully with practicing people all over Bangladesh. I have said all these PLENTY of times. Nothing new.
I respect a lot of people who happen to be atheists but they do not need to resort to attack or distort religion to survive. As the noble Qurán said, " To you your religion and to me mine". [ Source: Surah al-Kafirun]. This is the true spirit of Islam.
We need NOT to attack/insult any innocent people to practice Islam. Anyone who chose to do so, it is their own ways and NOT endorsed by Islam.
5. Those who believe that the supreme figure has to be Bhagwan or Allah will argue that God in "In God we trust" is the biblical God. It looks like you belong to this group.
>>>>>>> I am of the belief that, there is a supreme power who created this universe and everything in it. He is one and has no partners. Now it is possible that, some people call Him with different names, it is fine with me. But the name Allah has some unique aspects,
6. Read the constitution one more time to see how Islam has become an integral part of it. Don't act naive.
>>>>>> You frequently ask a lot of question and I respectfully spend time to find answers for you. Why don't you do a little work this time and SHOW me how Islam became an "Integral part" of our constitution (Other than symbolic).
7. Taslima is ha lf educated. Probably so are Daud Haider and Humayun Azad. You deserve congratulations for being fully educated!
>>>>>>>>>>> I have read more than one book by Taslima. Did not spend significant time on Mr. Haider or Azad. So I should not comment on them. IN general anyone who live to criticize others ONLY are half educated. Critical thinking is a wonderful concept and need a lot of work to do justice to the concept. Which we lack badly (In most cases).
Just to be clear, I do not endorse violent ways to deal with idiots like Taslima. Rather I would give her the mouth piece and allow her to make a fool of herself.
There are real scholars who use critical thinking of Islam as a craft masterfully and Taslima is not one of them.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 6:59 pm
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Daud Haider, Taslima Nasrin, Humayun Azad are good examples.
>>>>>>>>> Having doubts about our Creator is NOT offensive. However distorting message of religion, reputed person, region etc are criminal acts. No doubt about it. I have read works of Taslima and the only mistake of Muslims of Bangladesh was to pay too much attention to this babbling idiot, who did not what she was talking about. Certain Muslims overreacted and she should have been challenged for a debate.
Recent projonmo chotwor movement has expressed the national intolerance against the free thinkers and atheists in a naked way
>>>>>>>>> I do not agree with your definition or scope of "Free thinker". A free thinker thinks freely with fear and (Supposed to ) express those feeling honestly. IN Bangladesh, most of those ( The one I listened to and read about) people are half educated and thought just cursing loudly is free THINKING. It is free stinking not thinking. They have NO original ideas and ONLY know how to insult people. Thinking critically and honestly takes a lot of work and most people (Including mukto-mona contributors) do not have necessary skills to do that. Those who has such skills, most of them talk about subject they do not know about. So free thinking in Bangladesh is basically blind leading blind!!
I don't understand how you call the present BD constitution secular when it's secular nature has been corrupted by making Islam an integral part of it
>>>>>>>> Now this is a good question. Bangladeshi laws are derived from British common laws (Also US,UK, Indian, laws came from the same source). Apart from family laws (Laws of inheritance etc) our laws are not govern by Islam. The constitution only start by saying "In the name of Allah...". Which is like US dollar bills saying " In God we trust". These are symbolic gestures only. I honestly do not see WHERE and HOW Islam became an integral part of constitution? Islam offers FULL alternative to what we have but we do not have that in Bangladesh.
It looks like you do not know much about our constitution and Islam. Feel free to read up on them....
You might have noticed that free thinkers and atheists in BD simply express their views as their democratic right.
>>>>>>>> fully agree. However expressing views and distorting information are two DIFFERENT animals. Expressing views is a fundamental right of EVERY Bangladeshi citizens and causing mischief and violence (By distorting information) is a crime. Amar Desh editor Mahmudur Rahman was arrested for distorting information. Why should law be applied for people you like?
. It is the religious fanatics and militants who attack the free thinkers, atheists, places of worship and the members belonging to other religious groups. All the intolerance comes from them.
>>>>>>>> I am firmly against all kind of violence. Those who attack people or places of worship should be and must be punished. Similarly those who incite violence by spreading false info should NOT be spared.
I do not know who (obviously an extremist thinker) has proposed to convert the places of worship to toilets.
>>>>>>>> One of the leading hate mongers. who claims to be an atheist. Yeah if this guy had any points to make he can do that without being a "Drama queen". I do not mind people who have fanatical anti-religious views as long they express them without distorting religious text or insulting religious leaders. Unfortunately these half educated people (Like Taslima) are more interested in drama than thinking critically.
Intimidation can come from both sides.
>>>>>> Fully agree. Just because I do not like hate mongers from one side does NOT mean I endorse all religion people. I do not endorse violence in the name of religion.
They are intimidating not only to the free thinkers, they are intimidating to our women also.
>>>>>>>>> Our history tells us they do not get much support from mainstream in the long run.
They are the rightist group out there to kill all the possibilities we potentially have as a nation.
>>>>>>>> Trust me, if that ever happen, this nation will stand firmly against them. Our history tells us that (Starting from when Isa Khan stood up to Akbar till recent times). Maybe you have doubt against our leaders but our people will stand united again against fanaticism of any kind.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:42 pm
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>>>>>>>>> Now tell me how many atheists were punished for simply "Expressing their views" in Bangladesh?
Calling people to turn our places of worship (Masajid) into public toilets is beyond expressing views. I would say it is bordering hate crime. Similar to the scrudals who want to destroy Hindu or Christian places of worship. I have seen and heard of many atheists and even more non-practicing Muslims. I have NOT witnessed much hatred for these bunch. But if you have an agenda to keep insulting or destroying properties, you should be punished.
Right now Bangladesh has secular laws. Secular does not mean one has to be anti-religious. Sadly our half educated "Humanists"' do not know the difference and in some cases deliberately chose to ignore the vital difference and encourage young men to act like hate mongers.
Similarly if someone does not like watch people worshipping a snake or monkey, it is illigal to attack those places. It is OUR duty to respect our diversity and protect all religious groups in Bangladesh.
Shalom!
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1. Do you think late painter F. M. Hussein committed a lot of criminal acts?
3. Which projonmo chotwor organizers free stink and how? Can you be specific? There are always extreme thinkers. Do not judge the entire movement by the actions of a few.
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1. Do you think late painter F. M. Hussein committed a lot of criminal acts?
2. You have read Taslima. What criminal acts has she committed? Can you give an example?
3. Which projonmo chotwor organizers free stink and how? Can you be specific? There are always extreme thinkers. Do not judge the entire movement by the actions of a few.
4. So those who preach atheism are not free thinkers. Those who challenge the well established figures are not free thinkers. That's what you want to say?
5. Those who believe that the supreme figure has to be Bhagwan or Allah will argue that God in "In God we trust" is the biblical God. It looks like you belong to this group.
6. Read the constitution one more time to see how Islam has become an integral part of it. Don't act naive.
7. Taslima is ha lf educated. Probably so are Daud Haider and Humayun Azad. You deserve congratulations for being fully educated!
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s the quote I have used in my message above wrong? No, right
>>>>>> Have no issues with quotation.
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Is the quote I have used in my message above wrong? No, right? A very insignificant fraction of Bangladeshis are atheists and they are not publicly vocal. But a high profile or an outspoken atheist is always in danger. Daud Haider, Taslima Nasrin, Humayun Azad are good examples. Recent projonmo chotwor movement has expressed the national intolerance against the free thinkers and atheists in a naked way and it has drawn the attention of the press all around the world. This intolerance has even been expressed by the PM Hasina.
I don't understand how you call the present BD constitution secular when it's secular nature has been corrupted by making Islam an integral part of it. I can tell you this was unnecessary and divisive.
You might have noticed that free thinkers and atheists in BD simply express their views as their democratic right. It is the religious fanatics and militants who attack the free thinkers, atheists, places of worship and the members belonging to other religious groups. All the intolerance comes from them.
I do not know who (obviously an extremist thinker) has proposed to convert the places of worship to toilets. We can only simply ask him or her what points he or she had in favor of this argument. We must not jail him let alone kill the writer for a proposal that is intimidating to the believers. Fight him with counter arguments.
Intimidation can come from both sides. Presently the fanatic and fundamentalist religionists are way more intimidating than the extreme free thinkers. They are intimidating not only to the free thinkers, they are intimidating to our women also. They are the rightist group out there to kill all the possibilities we potentially have as a nation.
"In a range of other countries -- such as Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Kuwait and Jordan -- publication of atheist or humanist views on religion are totally banned or strictly limited under laws prohibiting 'blasphemy'."
It is really sad that Bangladesh is included in the above group. We started with the 1972 constitution secular nature of which has been corrupted first by Zia and then Ershad thanks to the constant pressure by and negotiation by the power hungry dictators with Islamist political parties like Jamaat.
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It is good to see that the Saudi society is advancing no doubt although it has a long way to go before it can stop.
"In a range of other countries -- such as Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Kuwait and Jordan -- publication of atheist or humanist views on religion are totally banned or strictly limited under laws prohibiting 'blasphemy'."
It is really sad that Bangladesh is included in the above group. We started with the 1972 constitution secular nature of which has been corrupted first by Zia and then Ershad thanks to the constant pressure by and negotiation by the power hungry dictators with Islamist political parties like Jamaat.
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