[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]
Hindu Scriptures: "That which cannot be seen by the eyes, but by which the
eyes see,
Hindu Scriptures: "The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe
can have no material representation, likeness or image." --
Hindu Scriptures: "He is bodiless and pure."
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>>>>>>>>> It seems you have an axe to grind about Islam. While in FACT, Muslims do not have the last prophet around them and (Allah does not interfere) Allah gave us free will. So lot of people CHOSE to be Muslim on their own. People are FUNDAMENTALLY FREE to obey or disobey our Creator. Those who obey do so on their own and those who disobey are free to disobey.
Billions of people do disagree with you but you are free to have your own Fatwa (Opinion in Arabic). As long you learn to respect other's fundamental choice to disagree with you, we'll get along fine.
I have taken the time to give a lot of sources (Mostly web based to help seeks of knowledge) to back up everything I said here. I welcome everyone to read it and if you have more questions, feel free to ask. If you disagree and still read it, accept my sincere thanks for the effort.
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Re: [mukto-mona] [Mukto-Mona Writers' Corner] 'PROPHET-HOOD IN ISLAM & ALLAH'
This article is another fine example what happens when someone speak of the topic without any knowledge about it. So I'll try to share the article and will attempt to correct as many incorrect information (There are plenty) as much as possible. So lets get into it.... ( I have taken to whole article and inserted correct information where it applies)
When Muslims think or talk about the prophet of Islam, they accept apriori that his prophet-hood was true and absolute. The system of 'prophet-hood' had been in the culture of Middle-East Asia in earlier days. If we look at the history of the area, it becomes clear that barring aside the accepted list of prophets starting from Adam (mythical to me), there had been a long list of claimants of prophet-hood who were not accepted as prophets by the large main stream population of the time and place.
>>>>>>>>>> What this author shows a lack of elementary knowledge of Islam. So this author is trying to differ from Islam by agreeing with what Islam has said!!
It is Islam which has given descriptions of historical events involving earlier messengers/prophets of Islam. Even prophet Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) was not widely accepted by his own people and Qurán says that. If this "Aspiring critic of Islam" had elementary knowledge of Islam, he would said it differently. Being accepted is not the ultimate criterion of truth and falsehood. Hitler was wildly popular among Germans but we cannot accept his ideology as ethical and Gandhi was murdered by a devout Hindu.
In fact as per history most messengers of Allah (PBUT) were not accepted by their own people. The best example is Jesus son of Mary (PBUH). In fact modern Christianity was never preached by Jesus but by St. Paul. So most Christians of our time are known as Pauline Christians by theologians.
Adam is not entirely mystery. Too many nations have the same story about Adam and Eve (You can refer to works of Joseph Campbell). There is a place in Sri Lanka call Adam's pick.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last messenger of God and widely accepted by people. He is unique from other messengers because all prior messengers came with a message (From Allah) specific to their communities and for a limited time. Muhammad son of Abduallah (PBUH) gave us a message that was universal and timeless (Was not limited to any time period and valid till the last day on earth).
Even during the time of prophet of Islam, there were at least five other prophet-hood claimants. Judaism and Christianity also had their share of such claimants. Among all such claimants, only a few (including Mohammad) succeeded while the rest of vast majority failed. This success or failure had nothing to do with truth or falsity of prophet. It was something like modern day election campaign. Ultimately one would win in one time and place. The false and, at times, impossible promises made by today's politicians to be-fool people and win election were similarly used by the prospective prophets of old time to get public recognition and acceptance of his prophet-hood. Islamic 'paradise' is one such false promise. It was ultimately the survival of the fittest (not the best) prophet claimant. There was nothing divine about it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Again lack of knowledge is evident. For example if this was something like election why would God pick the most disadvantaged people to speak for Him? Moses was talking against Pharaoh of Egypt. Muhammad could not read or write (Lost father and mother when he was six years old). Jesus did not have an earthly father.
Ironically these were most successful messengers of God. Think about it!!!
King David or Solomon (Sulaiman in Arabic) did not have as much influence on human history compare to any other messengers who were kings.
Even Hindus (At least the one who knows about Veda and purana) have the concept of Heaven and hell. Again logically the author has NO way to verify if the "Islamic concept of paradise" is valid or not, it has to be taken as wishful thinking or rant about Islam.
Lastly, modern day election campaigns offer victors a lot of power, wealth. Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and most messengers (PBUT) are not known to be financially solvent at the end of their lives or even during their lives. In fact, prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) life was carefully recorded but we do not see any election campaign type of move on his part. In fact when he and his followers were severely persecuted, the leaders of Mecca offered him ultimate leadership of Mecca (Most power and mountain of Gold/silver) if he stopped talking about one unseen God.
Here is a bit from that time..
One day the Quraish tried to induce the Prophet to discontinue his teachings of the new religion, which had sown discord among their people. 'Utba Ibn Rabi'a, was delegated to see the Prophet and speak to him. 'Utba said: "O son of my brother, you are distinguished by your qualities; yet you have sown discord among our people and cast dissension in our families; you denounced our gods and goddesses and you charge our ancestors with impiety. Now we are come to make a proposition to you, and I ask you to think well before you reject it." "I am listening to you, O father of Walid," said the Prophet. "O son of my brother, if by this affair you intend to acquire riches, honors, and dignity, we are willing to collect for you a fortune larger than is possessed by any one of us; we shall make you our chief and will do nothing without you. If you desire dominion, we shall make you our king;
Another request was made via his uncle but very polite Muhammad (PBUH) had to refuse this lucrative offer. He said...
Abu Talib neither wished to separate himself from his people, nor forsake his nephew for the idolaters to revenge themselves upon. He spoke to the Prophet very softly and begged him to abandon his affair. To this suggestion the Prophet firmly replied: "O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt."
Therefore, history shows that, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) rejected offers of wealth, power and comfort of the world multiple times. So the allegation/hypothesis/fiction about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is just wild imagination ONLY.
In Islam, utmost emphasis has been given on absence of other Allahs but Allah. The religion seems to be obsessively pre-occupied with denying the presence of other Allahs. The denial of the existence of other Allahs and formlessness of THE Allah (as against idol), could make Islam look different and new before the polytheists idolaters of 7th century Arabia. It was a marketing strategy. The Allah's attributes include worldly aspects, viz: punisher of disobedient and benefit-giver to sycophants. At times, Allah resembles more as a dictator than creator and caretaker of humans though humans constitute an infinitely minute proportion of the universe. Why Islam (or for that matter any religion) is absolutely concerned with this infinitely minute proportion of universe, i.e human beings?
>>>>>>>>> Again we face the age old problem. Here "Bhaskor babu" did not bother to read about Islam but attempted to share his fictional image of Islam with the world. The Oneness of God is an OLD concept (Maybe because it is the true concept). It certainly did not start with prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Let me share some information.
From the OT (Judaism)
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD!" (Deut. 6:4)
From the NT (Christianity)
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. ( << Mark 12:29 >>)
from Islam (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)
"There is no true god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God," ( First article of faith in Islam)
From Hindu scriptures ....
Hindu Scriptures: "There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]
Hindu Scriptures: "His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Kena Upanishad]
(Yajur Veda 32:3)
[Yajurveda 40:8]
Mohammad had to spend four decades of his life before putting his claim to be a prophet. It is unthinkable that Allah had wasted forty years before bestowing prophet-hood on Mohammad. Why Allah could not take the easiest way of telling the polytheists idolaters of Mecca about the prophet-hood of Mohammad much earlier?
>>>>>>>>>>> IF you read stories of previous messengers of God, you would discover that, prophet Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) declared his prophet hood when he was an infant. Every messenger has their own unique ways to deliver their messages. But history tells us simply telling people earliest possible time did not make much difference. So God chosen the best time for Muhammad (PBUH) and history tells us he was very successful in delivering his messages (By the end of his life).
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Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity & Islam) give a convenient 'thumb rule' that God speaks to mankind only through prophets. But the actual reason is very simple. Because of HIS nonexistence, Allah could not communicate with the people. HE was projected by a person who claimed to be HIS messenger (prophet). In actual, the Allah was the imaginary double for the prophet. Prophet thus became inseparable from Allah and propagated his (prophet's) own ideologies in the name of Allah. That convenient situation helped the prophet of Islam from taking any responsibility of all his misdeeds which were passed on as the wishes of Allah. In the process, the Allah got manipulated by the Mohammad to fulfill the latter's worldly objectives.
>>>>>>>> based on Christian and Islamic history, God did speak directly ( In a verify able way, you can visit Jordan to see the marks on mountain) to Moses and gave laws to him. Your theory would lead us to accept a picture where the prophet intentionally chose (WHY?) a life of persecution, poverty, attacks on him etc. What would be the point of it?
He was offered wealth, power and fame much earlier but he rejected!!
All he had to do is to accept a bunch of money, power as long he did not speak about ONE TRUE GOD and chose over 350 idols instead.
The endeavor was boosted by the bla bla (religious carrot and stick) of life after death in grave, paradise, hell and Day of Judgment etc.. Muslims remain engaged with blasphemy, Kufr, Sirq, Haram and Najaiz etc.. Hujurs had programmed them like that in the childhood. Tablighi movement has reinforced the observance of meaningless Islamic rituals. Qur'an and Hadith are used as tools by the power hungry Ulema. They constantly issue Fatwas to keep the believers (educated or uneducated) perpetually indoctrinated.
>>>>>>>>>> Your statement about power hungry Ulama may have some truth in it but your logic FAILS to describe motivation of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and many other messengers who rejected idols in favor of One True God of the universe.
Allah only exists in the heads of followers not alone, but in conjunction with the prophet (who was a human being). How can one believe in an Allah who needed a human prophet to establish HIMSELF? How can one believe in an Allah who needs to be constantly praised by the followers to thrive?
>>>>>>>>> As per our faith, God is NOT dependent on our action, inaction or praise. We praise God (Same with Christians and Jews) for our benefit. We pray for OUR benefit. We do charity to help our souls (Does it feel good when we help another person?). God loves us when we care for each other.
How can one believe in an Allah who has failed to convert all humans of the earth to Islam even in 1400 years (much to the shame of prophet and ideologues)?
>>>>>>>>>> Please read about concept of FREE WILL.
These are the reasons as to why the apostates from Islam are violently condemned by Muslims to save prophet (& his Allah). However, at the end Allah remains as bogus as idol of idolaters and prophet as crook as a politician of Indian sub-continent. Muslims cannot exist without a fictitious Allah and HIS manipulative prophet. So the issue of prophet and Allah in Islam is existential in nature and essence. There is nothing spiritual or supernatural about prophet and his Allah
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