Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

No doubt Rabindranath should not be compared with Marx. Rabindranath was great in his own way. I am not sure if he has ever written or said any thing about Marx. In one of his articles late Dr. Ahmad Sharif (ex-professor of Dhaka University and a recipient of Ananda Puroshkar) mentioned that Rabindranath lived in England when Marx was still active. He wondered why Rabindranath had no curiosity about this man who was at that time writing all the radical stuff.

Those who have read Sarat Chandra's novel "Pother Dabi" may remember that the said novel indulged in radical thinking and actions. An underground political party was working among the proletarian class in the then Burma with an ultimate objective to free India from the British colonial rule. Although he himself was a veteran Congress leader his hero of the novel dreamed of a "kind of free India" that the Congress party was not fighting for. The book was banned. Sarat requested Rabindranath to protest the ban which the latter declined to do. We cannot say that Rabindranath was in favor of British rule. We can only say that although basic ultimate objective may be same, tactics and strategies may differ let alone the desired time frame.      

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:15 AM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Farida:
Thanks for the article on Hobsbawm, a hot favourite, and  a legendary historian but not a great Marxist. Did you find any reference on two of the greatest Marxists of the 20th Century - M Rubel and Anton Pannenko? They and Riazanov were unquestionably the 3 greatest Marx scholar, much much above Lenin, Trotsky, Bukharin and even Lukacs and Gramsci.

About Rabindranath. Please read Paresh Chattopadhyay's Manusher Mukti-Marx in Saradiya Anustup of 1417. PC, drew parallel between Rabindranath and Marx. BS. Rabindranath understood alienation as the fall-out of aggressive capitalism in not only essays of co-operation but in Raktakarabi.
Farida, kindly read communism of Marx and Engels. Marx called of 'collective self-authority'.. Rabindranath- sammilito atmokortritwa.Marx and Rabindranath had different world outlook but they had no difference on the dangers of State and society of free and mutually cooperative society unlike Lenin,Stalin,Mao and Trotsky too.

I think moderrators too did not read the papers I sent. I am helpless. I maintain that Amra Sabai Raja encapsulates the essence of communist or socialist society. 

Best,
Sankarda




From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 04:22:29
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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  Sankar da,
                     Don't be fooled with "amra sobai raja".  It is a stunt! I have never reconciled with Rabindranath's Raja-preeti.  Here is an article on Eric Hobsbaum that I think you will enjoy.

http://www.thenation.com/print/article/177135/man-who-knew-almost-everything

 

 

 

Published on The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/)

The Man Who Knew Almost Everything

Ramachandra Guha | November 12, 2013

CC: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:27:42 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 

I am not sure what these people are humping on but this quiz show might help some of our diehards to alleviate their gas and other ailments. Enjoy! 
-SD

http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?account_type=1&red=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvZ9myHhpS9s&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=0

 

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:40 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

"Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology."

Mr. Ray, what does the above statement mean?

You said Marxism is a jungle; I think your above statement reflect that jungle. It appears to me that - you have been spending enormous amount of your time and effort studying and promoting Marxism. What's the objective? Do you see Marxism is coming back slowly, and it will be fully implemented someday? Or, you see a new social philosophy is being born in America, China, Russia, and Europe out of fusion of Capitalism and Marxism. I see the latter scenario; what say you?

Jiten Roy

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:07 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:

 

Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?

And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?account_type=1&red=http%3A%2F%2Fcfcul.fc.ul.pt%2Fvarios%2FKarl_Marx_small.pdf&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=0) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR





From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 

One may preach some thing and practice some thing else. It applies to any political ideology. Marxism and a Marxist are not synonymous in the same way as Islam and an Islamist are not. It would be illogical to blame Islam if an Islamist Madrassa principal rapes a young boy. The question that should be asked is if Marxism teaches a Marxist to mock the poverty of the poor by building a palace near a slum. 

I don't think any one in this forum wants Marxism to be the state principle. The primary objective here is to engage in intellectual intellectual exercise which is not easy at all as the Marxist literature is a vast jungle. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.

>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.

Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.

Shalom!

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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 

With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.

 -SD

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss

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