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Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Indian Navy concerned over Bangladesh's decision to buy submarines from China



Member Bain,

Appreciate your comments. Do you think we can solve this crisis peacefully with dignity intact for Jumma people?

Surely we cannot unto past mistakes, what is the best course for future?


Shalom!


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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Indian Navy concerned over Bangladesh's decision to buy submarines from China

 
I also disagree with Professor Chakrabarty, and agree with Professor Das, on the point that the latter responded to.
 
Let me go a bit further. As a matter of principle, I do not have much respect for any country's sovereignty when that country commits serious violations of human and citizenship rights of some of its people. In that regard, Bangladesh has done serious offences against the Jumma people. Those offences are no less serious than what the Pakistani ruling class did to the people of East Bengal form 1947 to March 24, 1971. On occasions, the offences of the Bangladesh military and of the Bangalee settlers against the Jumma people were as serious as some of the most serious offences by the Pakistani military and their local collaborators against the Bangalee people from March 25 to December 16 of 1971.
 
SuBain
 
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Indian Navy concerned over Bangladesh's decision to buy submarines from China
 
"No doubt India actively supported Shantibahini. Obviously that was not right."- SC
Lopsided info can lead to uncharted area.  The tribal insurgency was a consequence of withdrawing their right as a protected people.  Their land (community property) was grabbed and redistributed to mostly Muslim non-tribal.  Not even Pakistan did what Bangladesh did to them!  If supporting the  "Shanti" was wrong, so was supporting the liberation movement of Bangladesh.
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Can you prove that India wants to be your master, not friend? Is your statement not too strong? 
 
2. If China wants to use Bangladesh as a tool to expand it's sphere of influence in the Bay of Bengal, is it not natural for India to express concern and talk with Bangladesh? 
3. Talpotti, sharing water, border killings, etc. need to be resolved, no doubt. I believe these can be solved through friendly talks. Sharing water is more complicated as it involves two governments---central and provincial---in India. Any way, it is the responsibility of the Indian government with which only Bangladesh can talk. 
4. No doubt India actively supported Shantibahini. Obviously that was not right. But don't pretend to be naive. Security-wise, India probably is more vulnerable when BNP is in power as we have read reports on ISI connection in destabilizing regional peace in India. 
 
5. Can you be specific? Who were those SOBs? 
 
6. Why is India putting fence and observation towers in the borders? What is your guess? It is obviously humiliating for Bangladesh. But is it really hampering the national interests of Bangladesh in any way? Mexico would love to see no Americans patrolling the border although all the costs are being borne by America. 
7. Politics is a vital part of our every day life. Why do you hesitate to talk about it and the political parties and the politicians? I was never a member of Chhatra League or AL. But I have never kept it secret that of all the major parties (AL, BNP, JP, and Jamaat), my best preference would be AL. They are absolutely not the same animals. My assertion is based on my own ideology. I am for going back to 1972 constitution and make it better. I am happy that war criminals have been brought to justice. I can expect these to a great extent only from AL. 
 
8. I always respect common people. I hope you have noticed it. I was talking about rabid anti-Indians. 

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