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Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।



God used to be human before it became divine.  The word originated from Persian Godde (equivalent Bangla is Goda) meaning leader.  Sin is night in ancient Mesopotamian language.  Anything done during night is sinful.  Perception of God has changed.  It sure is beyond the reach  of theocrats, ancient or modern.  But Gods are very much with us, small god to high god.  

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On Apr 29, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Logically, when someone says something does not exist, there is nothing he/she needs to prove to validate the claim. It will be stupidity if we ask them to prove their claim, because - you cannot ask somebody to show or prove something that he/she claims does not exist. Therefore, the burden is on  the people who say God exists to show or prove the existence of God.   

 Hindu mythologies depict God mingling with ancient people; unfortunately, it's not happening anymore in the modern era. Believers will say – God left this sin-filled world; that's not an acceptable argument to me. Logically, God's presence is much more needed in the sin-filled world than in a heavenly world. I can't imagine that God will abandon this world because it is filled with sins. It's like captain abandoning a sinking boat with passengers on board; that's a crime. So, this argument has no basis. 

Some people will say God is present everywhere; we just can't see Him, meaning He is invisible. This argument could have validity if God's presence could be felt by our sensory organs, as we do in case of air. That's not the case with God either. All we have is - he says she says. 

Jiten Roy 
On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:02 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 
The ancient monotheism was created by men on the Sun god concept.  With the appearance of Sun, all the luminaries of night vanished.  So, Sun conceived by the morning star Adity(Mother Mary in Christian parlance) was God and stars borne by the evening star Dity(Mary Magdalene) were the demons.  All religions are geocentric.  In the post Galilean Universe, centre has fallen off, but religions and other primitive concepts live on mostly in the uncultured mind of the third and impoverished world. 

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On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:33 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

 
People always start from the premises that God or Allah does exist and then the onus falls on somebody who does not believe in that assertion to prove that God does not exist. Is it not a perverse logic? The onus must be on that person or persons who claim, in the first place, that God exists to prove that he is telling the truth. In response to this demand, what does that person do to prove his assertion? He comes back again with a convoluted logic. He claims that if God does not exist, who gives rain on earth, who created man, who created earth etc? 

To get these things, there is no need for any being to exist - natural or artificial - and these things evolve by themselves and science can prove that. So the logic of the creationist that God exists is false and hence God does not exist. 

- Anis Rahman

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Subject: [mukto-mona] আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।

 
আমি কেন ঈশ্বরে বিশ্বাস করি না? প্রবীর ঘোষের জবাব প্রসঙ্গে।

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