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Monday, June 30, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona]



Mr. Roy,
'Bastard' is rather wrong word for our creepy characters. Actually, no bastard really commits a crime by being a mere product of criminal or good act? My apologies to good bastards.
-SD   
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


On Monday, June 30, 2014 12:18 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I did not want to continue any discussion on this topic, because this conversation does not make sense; it conveys the notion that birth out of wedlock is somehow predestined to produce bad people. There is no scientific validity to this notion, and it's a vacuous thought. How in the world anyone knows their paternal identity for sure without the DNA test, and how many people has done that? The whole discussion does not make sense.  
It's one thing to use the term "Jaroj (Bastard)" to rebuke people, but - it's totally different when someone says that - people are bad because they were "Jaroj." If we accept this logic - then we also have to accept that - it is not the fault of those people that they are bad, because no one has a choice in his/her parental identity.
Also, I do not see the connection between the death-toll figures in the liberation war and corrupt people in Bangladesh. If I say lakh-lakh people died in the liberation war, it simply means – death-toll is enormous. Thirty thousand or 3 million is an enormous death-toll. Historical figures are always controversial, and never exact. No one should give it too much importance on this number.
You ask a Razakar about the death-toll in the liberation war; he will probably cite some number that is a lot less than 30,000. Also, there are millions of people in the world who believe – Holocaust never occurred. To them, death-toll in the Holocaust is zero, but to others it is in the millions. So, let it go.  Any number representing the enormous death-toll will be acceptable.
Please don't tell me corruption started from that 3 million number.
  
Jiten Roy


On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:10 AM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr Mannan,

Your endeavour to expose those "jaroj" or 'bastard' people in Bangladesh is admirable and I hope that you succeed. I am with you. But my request would be that whatever you say should be based on facts - pure and undiluted, not heresy or gossip. If you resort to massaging facts, however small, to make the case stronger, then people will reject the whole story and think that this story is one of "those".
 
A concrete example of "massaging facts" is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's statement that 3 million people died in Bangladesh liberation war. Actual, impartial and evidence based account is between 30,000 and 40,000 deaths. When Sheikh Mujibur Rahman came back to Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1972, he was told by his party propagandists that 3 laks died, which was itself an exaggeration by about 10 times. Then Sheikh Mujibur Rahman at his interview with the foreign journalists stated that 3 million people died. Now Ministers, Prime Ministers etc all quote this figure and foreign journalists give a wry smile and think that these are the faces liars and cheats.

- AR

From: "Abdul Mannan mannanabdul56@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2014, 15:27
Subject: [mukto-mona]

 
শিক্ষিত, বিত্তবান, পদস্থদের মধ্যে অবৈধ অর্থবিত্ত, পদ-পদবী অর্জনের জন্য যে নির্লজ্জতা, নির্মমতা, নিষ্ঠুরতা, নীচতা দেখা যায়, প্রচুর সম্পদ থাকা সত্বেও, আমাদের দেশের আরও অনেক উন্নতির সম্ভাবনা থাকা সত্বেও এসব নির্লজ্জ, নির্মম, নিষ্ঠুর, নীচদের জন্য তা সম্ভব হচ্ছেনা। "জারজ" শব্দটি শ্রুতিকটু, অশ্লীল হলেও হুমায়ুন আহমদসহ সুনীল গঙ্গোপাধ্যায় গং আরও অনেক রগড় বাক্য-শব্দ ব্যবহার করেছেন। একমাত্র "জারজ" না হলে এরা এত নির্লজ্জ, নির্মম, নিষ্ঠুর, নীচ হতে পারেনা। আমরা এদের মুখোশ উম্মোচনকারী। সমাজে, রাজনীতিতে, ব্যবসায়, সরকারী-বেসরকারী চাকুরীতে কারা জারজ তা আমরা পর্যায়ক্রমে প্রকাশ করব। দেশের স্বার্থে আশাকরি আপনারা আমাদের পাশে থাকবেন। ধন্যবাদ। 








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