Promised land was Solomon's empire. It is as bogus as every religion is. One needs God to cover up misdeeds.
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On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:23 AM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The promised land is basically a bogus argument. Jews were very much like naive Hindus, who wanted to be an accommodating group to let other people to join and settle in the midst of them with the hope that everything would turn out to be OK? But that was a wrong assumption.There are many orthodox Jews still think, Jews should not settle in any country but to be scattered around the globe. The result was not so great if one looks at the age old antisemitism of Europe and middle-east. If Hitler had won the war, only God knows how many Jews would be around today? Does that fear justify today's Jewish paranoia? They have no place to move except the US or Canada?Two state solution is the only way forward if Hamas does not import the big bomb to an independent Gaza. If that happens, all bets would be off. The holy land would be totally inhabitable for many thousand years. Israeli choices are very limited. Kill or be killed?"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
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"Promised Land" – who promised this land to Jews? If it was from God, how come even that promise is still not fulfilled? This indicates the level of difficulty to settle any conflict in the region. Even God could not fulfil His promise.Palestinian state out of Gaza and West Bank is an impossible proposal. These two pieces of lands are not contiguous, and people in these territories do not follow the same political view. This situation is like the situation of former East and West Pakistan. Also, Israel needs control over Gaza for security. If there is a peace agreement, it will come without Gaza. I don't see that in the horizon.On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:11 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
God 'promised' a piece of land or the world to any kind of people is obviously BS. So, it does not matter how much land the so-called God 'promised'. What matters is from where the Jewish people were evicted. Since people who are there now did not do the crimes of the eviction, the entire piece of that land cannot be reclaimed by the Jews of the world. They could ask for a portion of that land in lieu of fair market price, if they felt attached to that land; and the Muslims living there at the time should have accommodated that. Obviously, that kind of civilized exchange did not happen, and the discontent continues.On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:47 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
According toGenesis 15:18andJoshua 1:4, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). So, what land has God stated belongs to Israel?All of the land modern Israel currently possesses, plus all of the land of thePalestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Israel currently possesses only a fraction of the land God has promised.Hindus of Bengal and India brought about their own downfall.
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On Aug 1, 2014, at 3:01 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Well, Dr. Das, I believe the world is much better now than it used to be in the ancient time or even fifty years back. Now, worldwide organizations (albeit imperfect) and information exchange keep the level of barbarity in some control. While the Jews of Israel are aggressive in defending themselves, I believe the if the Muslim Palestinians were as nonviolent as the uprooted Hindus of East Bengal, a good degree of peace would have prevailed in Palestine-Israel. I am not clear on how many percent of the so-called 'promised land' now belongs to Israel. Please educate me, if you know. But I believe, a conscientious world could not allow all Muslims that settled in that land to be evicted, nor could Israel go that far.On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:45 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have followed Israeli leaders, as much as I could, from Begin to Netanyahu. They have intention of conquering all the land that belonged to them according to the Old Testament. At present they don't have the ability. However, even the ancient time, the Hebraic people conquered the "Promised Land" by sword from the Phoenicians. Even their OT had its root in Ugarit.
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On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:20 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Interesting pieces of information, Dr. Das! But the Israelis do not seem to have the intent of conquering much more land than what they got right now. Obviously, they wish to live peacefully in that land with a modern lifestyle. While they are certainly very aggressive in defending themselves, looks like if the Palestinians accepted the status quo and lived in the neighborhood with no hostility, the conflict would have died down gradually. Of course, the Arabs and much of the Muslim population in the world are not ready to live in a civilized world with respect for all, women, non-believers, and believers of other religions.On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:45 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Every community has a separate God since the beginning of history. Even that destitute impostor Patriarch named Abraham did not have the same God as his descendants did. The word 'God' has its root in Persian 'Godde' which means leader. Even in Bengali, 'Paler Goda' indicates leader of the gang. A WW II limerick was "Gott strafe England/God save the King//God this and God that/And God the other thing//Good God, said God/I have cut my works down//". Obviously, God was unable to meet the demands of opponents.The present crisis is a continuation of millennia old problems in the Middle East. It was fueled by the discovery of subterranean hydrocarbon. The powerful Ashkenazic Jews decided to go back to the p
